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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #10 - 07/08/09 at 08:18:36
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On that point didnt the great player and philosopher Lasker have another great quote (not that I completely believe him) something along the lines of "I´ve spent my whole life trying to forget stuff I´ve already learnt"
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #9 - 07/07/09 at 20:13:13
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I have spoken to several players of various strengths who claim that it takes time to learn how to apply new principles.  This makes the player weaker in the short run as he integrates the newly gained knowledge into his structures of learning.

This is very closely associated with cognitive dissonance, and is a real psychological effect.  When people learn something that is at odds with what you already "knew", most people suffer discomfort and perform poorly.

This can be seen when people switch openings that require a different mind-set than what they are used to.  It also occurs when making a transition from a positional vs tactical world view to one that sees both as integral parts of a whole.  There are many other examples of this.

Some classic examples of great players going through slumps while learning more about the game include Fischer in the mid-1960s, Spassky after 1959, Tal in the late 1960s, and even Anand after his first world championship.

Of course, most players learn whatever they are going to learn within the first seven years of competitive chess, but the very best players are willing to take a step back to learn something new.  Kramnik's rating fell while he learned new lines in the Sicilian.

I don't think it's a matter of quantity of study so much as "unlearning" that which got you to a certain level but is also keeping you from growing.
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #8 - 07/07/09 at 10:52:47
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Thats it! Great quote - Application of information, not Absorption. I think we must all be guilty of ignoring this point from time to time
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #7 - 07/06/09 at 13:36:32
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Keano wrote on 07/06/09 at 09:10:47:

I think GM Kevin Spragett said it best - "Chess is a game of implementation, not assimilation" - well something like that he said - basically it is a competitive game and a player who keeps it simple but is very good at Implementing what he knows will always get better results than a player with wider knowledge but who is poor at the implementation part.

This is probably the quote you are thinking of.  It struck me very much when I first read it, so I saved it.

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Many players 'choke' at a certain level and have difficulties getting to the next because they have too much information in their heads! They get confused...remember that in chess what is important is the APPLICATION of information, not the ABSORPTION of information.

  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #6 - 07/06/09 at 09:10:47
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Very interesting topic this - I would agree in general with the replies. Too much studying, particularly if it is of the type "accumulation" - i.e adding to your knowlege of endgames, openings etc. has to be managed carefully.

I think GM Kevin Spragett said it best - "Chess is a game of implementation, not assimilation" - well something like that he said - basically it is a competitive game and a player who keeps it simple but is very good at Implementing what he knows will always get better results than a player with wider knowledge but who is poor at the implementation part.

I´ve not explained this very well but I hope you get the gist of what I´m on about...
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #5 - 07/03/09 at 15:50:45
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It is somewhat more complicated than in Botvinnik's day, since we have so much information available now, should we choose to try to use it, but I think in principle he was right. GM Nigel Davies is also on record as expressing the opinion that for him, plenty of sleep and a clear head are the priorities.

To some extent though it depends on whether you know your opponent in advance, and how far in advance (I'm talking "real" over the board chess, not Internet blitz), and there is a useful distinction to be made between study on the one hand, and preparation to play a particular opponent on the other.

In an international open, if you know who you are going to be playing, it surely makes sense to do at least a quick scan of the opponent's recent games, to get some idea of what to expect both in the opening and style-wise (especially how does he win, how does he lose). But the amount of time spent in prep seems to vary enormously between different players.

There are also players who feel they perform better by spending some time in the morning before a game on "warm-up" activities, such as solving tactical puzzzles and composed endgame puzzles (I really hate the term "endgame studies" - makes them sound really boring, when in fact they are really interesting and often give you a real buzz when you find/look up the solution).

I recommend to young students that they do no chess at all, for at least one full day before an event. That way, any new knowledge they have tried to gain in the preceding days has a better chance to be "sorted and filed" in the brain.

But I also recommend that they do a small amount of warm-up before each game (but most definitely not blitz or bughouse).
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #4 - 07/03/09 at 14:21:07
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I might suggest another possible reason for this phenomenon. I have also witnessed people claiming similar incidents around me, i.e. higher defeat ratio after studying too much chess. After discussing with friends we came to some sort of conclusion.
When a chess player does not have much "book knowledge" like opening theory, bad bishop vs. good bishop, endgame technic etc (countless themes can be added to this list) s/he plays the game of chess as he was first taught and maybe with wrong knowledge. But he keeps playing those positions and gains experience with time. Then one day after studying books, he learns that what he has employed so far is actually a wrong strategy and with this knowledge he tries to employ his newly-acquired skills. But because he is not yet experienced enough in this new knowledge, he suffers some initial defeats. But the important thing is, with time this player hones his new knowledge and after some time his results get better than before.
Example; 1600 ELO rated player A plays 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 as opening moves because his father taught him chess this way. Although this sort of opening can not be recommended, he can beat even 1700 rated players with this opening because he is quite experienced in the system. One day he reads a book about chess openings and to his horror he learns that Queen sortie at move 2 can not be a good opening strategy (I hear you mischivious guys who inquiry about 1.e4 e6 2. Qe2. Eh, well, lets say at least for this position) Because the book has been written by this strong authority on chess openings he gets convinced on this advice and starts to play 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 as recommended. But to his his dismay he starts losing against opponents whom he was regulary beating before. Why ? Because at that moment he lacks the experience but with time most probably he will catch up and will increase his success ratio with his newly-acquired knowledge.
Maybe we can name this process as "unlearning". Unlearning may become very hard but once achieved, I believe the overall results of the player will improve.
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #3 - 07/03/09 at 01:53:14
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FischerTal wrote on 07/02/09 at 18:58:54:


I used to play  a lot of video games and pinball which are all about muscle memory  and I foun that  I used to get good scores on my first game back after a being a way for a week or more.


Similar thing here. I like to feed the ducks while rowing the morning before a game. Gets the brain active.
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #2 - 07/02/09 at 18:58:54
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I think Botvinnik used to reccommend taking a few days break completely from chess before an important even.t.  I think the idea is to keep your chess hunger I think it works.

I used to play  a lot of video games and pinball which are all about muscle memory  and I foun that  I used to get good scores on my first game back after a being a way for a week or more.
  
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Re: Can too much studying make you worse short term?
Reply #1 - 07/02/09 at 18:48:26
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Obviously, doing a lot of any kind of work (chess or otherwise) can worsen your results short-term if it leads to fatigue. I always play much better when I've gotten enough sleep/rest beforehand, both in torunament games and internet blitz. So study hard > sleep/rest well > play is my preferred sequence!

Look at those games and find out how you lost them. If it was through thinking too slowly or "obvious" blunders, or if you felt tired, then it's highly likely the previous studying had something to do with it.
  

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Can too much studying make you worse short term?
07/02/09 at 16:20:08
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I studied all yesterday solving problems in a tactics book.  I signed on to Playchess.com last night thinking that with my sharpened tactical skills I was going to have a fairly successful evening.  Much to my surprise, I lost every game (except for a lag out).   Look at my profile gregsw if you don't believe me.  I simply can't stop losing.  Why is this?  This is not the first time this has happened so I am guessing there is a certain cause-and-effect relationship here.  Has anyone else experienced this counter-intuitive phenomenon?
  
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