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SWJediknight God Member Offline Alert... opponent out of book! Posts: 916 Joined: 03/14/08	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #122 - 07/28/09 at 00:14:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 07/26/09 at 04:28:24: Seriously? I think my 3...Nge7 line is more sound than the rest of this quote. Yes I agree. I don't think it's too bad a line- just a bit theoretically flawed, but all manner of theoretically flawed lines score well in practice. As for crazy openings, how about this quote from Rick Kennedy: "You begin deviously, with 1.e3! And when he falls for your trap with 1...d5?, you hit him between the eyes with 2.e4!!"


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #121 - 07/27/09 at 08:14:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Why play gambits against the English Opening when you can win easily: Mainz rapid tournament 2008, GM vs. GM: 1. (swap the position of White's king and queen) 2. c4 e5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.d4 ed4 6.Nd4 Nd4 7. White Resigns At this point, White touched his king, thinking that he was moving his queen to play 7.Qd4. Only when he picked up the piece, did he see that he was in fact grabbing his king, not his queen. Forced to play 7.Kd2, he resigned on the spot. For this reason, an excellent Anti-Sicilian is 1.e3 c5? 2.e4!!, transposing to the above game.

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flaviddude Senior Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 329 Location: Australia Joined: 01/12/04 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #120 - 07/26/09 at 09:10:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/24/09 at 07:00:01: Gambit wrote on 07/24/09 at 06:31:43: ... G/1-minute is not exactly serious chess. I will have to remember that quote. Gambit, at what time control does chess become "serious"? In my opinion 10 moves in fifty days.

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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #119 - 07/26/09 at 04:28:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	SWJediknight wrote on 07/25/09 at 16:40:36: I'm guessing they might mean 1.d4 e5 2.Kd2 offering the d-pawn as a gambit. My favourite Gambit-inspired line runs: 1.e4 a6 2.d4 h6 3.Nc3 e5 (as ...a6 and ...h6 are useful moves in certain Englund Gambit lines, and Zilbermints got 1.e4 h6 2.d4 e5 named after himself) and after 4.Kd2! (White is brave and offers the gambit pawn) 4...Nc6! (Black offers the e-pawn) 5.dxe5 (White is brave and takes it) 5...Nge7! Black has a doubly-deferred Zilbermints Gambit but with the advantage that White's king is awkwardly placed on d2. As it happens, I consider 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Nge7 to be one of his better ideas, even though it is theoretically flawed. Seriously? I think my 3...Nge7 line is more sound than the rest of this quote.


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SWJediknight God Member Offline Alert... opponent out of book! Posts: 916 Joined: 03/14/08	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #118 - 07/25/09 at 16:40:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm guessing they might mean 1.d4 e5 2.Kd2 offering the d-pawn as a gambit. My favourite Gambit-inspired line runs: 1.e4 a6 2.d4 h6 3.Nc3 e5 (as ...a6 and ...h6 are useful moves in certain Englund Gambit lines, and Zilbermints got 1.e4 h6 2.d4 e5 named after himself) and after 4.Kd2! (White is brave and offers the gambit pawn) 4...Nc6! (Black offers the e-pawn) 5.dxe5 (White is brave and takes it) 5...Nge7! Black has a doubly-deferred Zilbermints Gambit but with the advantage that White's king is awkwardly placed on d2. As it happens, I consider 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Nge7 to be one of his better ideas, even though it is theoretically flawed.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #117 - 07/25/09 at 15:15:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	Um... 1.e4 e5 2.Kd2 is kinda impossible. Do you perhaps mean 2.d3 Black (anything) Kd2, the transvestite opening (because the K and Q switch places)?


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #116 - 07/25/09 at 14:05:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	Four: keep on joking about them and watch LDZ getting annoyed. He deserves that as well as he enjoys to annoy himself. So I dub 1.e4 e5 2.Kd2 the Nieuweboer-Zilbermintz Attack. Gambit wrote on 07/25/09 at 04:26:46: the joke BS I see here such as 1 e4 e5 2 Kd2

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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #115 - 07/25/09 at 04:26:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	Serious chess starts at Game/3 minutes or higher. As for the openings that bear my name, these are justly deserved. I invented them, so you can do one of three things. One, stop complaining about it, and play them yourselves. Two, shut up. Three, go invent your own openings, serious ones, not the joke BS I see here such as 1 d4 d5 2 Kd2 or 1 a4 b5...
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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #114 - 07/24/09 at 21:51:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 07/24/09 at 06:31:43: Nonsense. I never played anything of the sort. That is first. You only recognize a joke when you make it yourself, don't you? Anyhow, one could argue that all variations that you named after yourself are "of the sort".

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #113 - 07/24/09 at 07:00:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 07/24/09 at 06:31:43: ... G/1-minute is not exactly serious chess. I will have to remember that quote. Gambit, at what time control does chess become "serious"?


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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #112 - 07/24/09 at 06:31:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	CraigEvans wrote on 07/23/09 at 11:34:56: Surely white should meet 2...b5!? with 3.a4!!, a counter-counter-counter-counter gambit. How incredibly brave. I think Zilbermints played this one some years back in a G/1 game on ICC. Let him check his archives. Nonsense. I never played anything of the sort. That is first. Secondly, G/1-minute is not exactly serious chess.


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CraigEvans God Member Offline If I can't sacrifice a pawn, I'll throw my rook in Posts: 588 Location: Bryn, South Wales Joined: 07/14/03 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #111 - 07/23/09 at 11:34:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Surely white should meet 2...b5!? with 3.a4!!, a counter-counter-counter-counter gambit. How incredibly brave. I think Zilbermints played this one some years back in a G/1 game on ICC. Let him check his archives.

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #110 - 07/23/09 at 03:45:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Against 3...e5, it is cowardly to take either pawn because it could lead to an endgame. Clearly the best move is 4.Bc4! (not only refusing to take either pawn but also sacrificing the d4-pawn) 4...ed4 5.Qh5!!, leaving the knight en prise and sacrificing a second pawn. According to my archive folder of bullet games with this line, White has good chances, especially since the majority of 1-minute games have seen Black fail to meet the threat of Qf7 mate adequately. Against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5, 3.Ne5 is the best move, and therefore the bravest move. But Uruk has a point. After 1.f4 g5 2.c4 b5, what is the bravest move for White? I don't know, but perhaps my computer will be able to give me the answer.

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Uruk Senior Member Offline Posts: 351 Joined: 02/03/09	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #109 - 07/23/09 at 02:49:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Still you don't really answer my question: which is the gambit pawn, the one that advances or the one that is left en prise? The same question arises after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5. Which is the gambit pawn? That seems an important point of terminology. I'd say the gambit pawn is the one that moves (implying that a gambit must be a pawn move), but I'm far from sure. So Gambit, which pawn is considered manly and which cowardly to take?


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: The Art of Flogging a Dead Horse (formerly C in C) Reply #108 - 07/23/09 at 01:28:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	A gambit is a gambit when Gambit cs say so. For this reason 3...e5 is called the Lemberger Counter Gambit, even though Lemberg doesn't exist anymore since more than 90 years and Black does not sac a pawn.

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