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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #47 - 07/15/09 at 17:50:38
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Lev, for the umpteenth time, nobody's civil rights are at stake in this forum, which is private.  No degree of censorship here could possibly impinge upon your right of free expression.

Also you do very often post rudely, typically to characterize someone you disagree with.  E.g. calling people weirdos.  Both Smyslov Fan and I have had to go into your posts to expunge rude remarks, so watch out!  Much more of that will get you banned.  

The way it is right now, monitors have to pay special attention to threads whenever you're active on them.  It's a drag, you know?

@Michael Ayton: I perhaps exaggerated when I said "at length," but the same irony would apply had I used "at all."  Also I don't think I suggested that there's should be a different standard of conduct in General Chess than elsewhere; I didn't mean to, anyway.  It's only that a lot of Lev's distractionary hobby horses do fit under this subject.
  

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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #46 - 07/15/09 at 17:49:55
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Two things:

1) This has been thrown out there before, but your freedom of speech claim is of little use here. Since Tony provides a service, and people pay to show up to this site and enjoy the content, anything that Tony deems bad for business is likely to get the axe. Yes, this forum is free, but the vast majority of people on here are also subscribers to the site, and it's likely that most people are referred to this forum from said site. This forum is more like a really friendly, loose, and lazily governed dictatorship. 

2) Your opinion is not the law. With regards specifically to your challenges on the ICC, what makes you think that this format holds any superiority over a correspondence challenge? Your opinion is that an OTB match is the only way to go, but how can you criticize others for preferring a CC game? Your opinion is not the law Lev. Why not play me in a correspondence game? Is your cowardice to my challenge any better than others declining to waste their time with you on the ICC? I dare to say no! 

I feel like the thing that bothers people the most about you is that you continue to disregard anyone's points, analysis, etc...about anything you post, and instead ad nauseum post the same annoying crap over and over again. We know you think OTB is the only way to play, we know you hate computers, we know you invented two gambits and named them after yourself. We know this. That's all fine, but when you continue to ram these opinions and such down people's throats, it's rude, mostly off topic, annoying. And it's only getting worse!
  
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #45 - 07/15/09 at 17:41:13
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I find these threads more hilarious that anything else. Those are offended by Gambit should just ignore his posts. Those who are offended by persons answering gambit should just ignore the threads. Er...simple enough no? Ultimately forums are the most democratic of places where the worth of any thread will be decided by members' willingness to contribute and extend the life of those threads, not by the edict of one person. Live with it. 

Too many are willing to call too swiftly for deleting threads, banning of posters, censorship and the like. I really hope that this forum does not become an oversanitised edifice where anyone that dares to be silly, irreverent  or even  insolent  is castigated.
  

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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #44 - 07/15/09 at 17:07:53
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This is a forum where freedom of speech is encouraged, on a variety of different subjects.  Mr. Ayton, you have not posted here as much as I or other people. You need to learn to be tolerant of what other posters post here. As we say here in the United States, I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

First Amendment!

My mother has nothing to do with this, OK? Since I am 42, I am an adult and can be responsible for myself. Or should I ask you if your mother knows what you post? No, because  that is neither here nor there. Our mothers do not come into this discussion.

I do not get kicks out of being rude. That is a false assumption that is being made by an ignorant person. Rather, I say what I think. I am pretty much a straightshooter, and my tone reflects that. For example, the term "computer-lover" describes someone who depends on a computer to do all the chess analyses for him or her.

Yes, the moderator does a good job here. Kudos to him.

Now, are my critics willing to accept the offer of playing a Game/60 on the Internet Chess Club against me without a chess engine helping them?
  
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Reply #43 - 07/15/09 at 14:30:59
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Tolerance ?
  
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #42 - 07/15/09 at 14:19:50
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I too think Markovich is doing a good and conscientious moderating job (and I think Smyslov_Fan is too), but if, as seems, you think my twenty-odd lines on the subject of Lev constitutes posting at length, Markovich, I can but politely disagree! I'm also not sure on what basis you're meaning to distinguish between the "General Chess" section and the others in terms of conduct norms. "General" surely implies a subject indication, nothing more or less, but essentially it's manner, not matter, over which there's an issue as regards toleration.
  
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #41 - 07/15/09 at 14:08:11
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Agree with Michael Ayton here. Tedious 40something troll who gets kicks out of being rude online. Oh dear.  Does his mum know?

Agree with Hacker. Credit to Markovich - doing a splendid job. Thanks.
  
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #40 - 07/15/09 at 13:37:01
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Decided previously not to post on this thread (the reptile part of my bain makes it difficult not to pip (almost as pornography)).  
After reading Markovich latest reply I just would like to say that I fully support that approach.  
Also would like to add that from my point of view Markovich is doing a great job as moderator.
Hope you will keep up the good work and that you will be an example for other moderators to follow.
  

What kind of proof is that?
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #39 - 07/15/09 at 13:04:17
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I think that there as a serious problem as long as arguments about chess cowardice, computer use, challenges to two-minute ICC games, and so forth, were tolerated in the substantive parts of the forum.  They are no longer, at least in the sections that I monitor, so I fail to see what the problem is.  This section of the board is, after all, reserved for general chess subjects, and this is such a subject.

And who is wasting time, those who carry on a discussion with Lev, or those who think any discussion with Lev is a waste of time and post at length about it?

@DD-OK:  I wonder if your thought could have been expressed in a less insulting way.  However I do think that Lev has been repeatedly guilty of rude remarks, and I think that if that continues, it would be appropriate to ban him.  However, we should note that Lev does occasionally make useful contributions in the theoretical sections of the forum.
  

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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #38 - 07/15/09 at 09:03:12
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Well exactly, DD-OK. But the problem is, a large number of people apparently find it impossible to ignore him, and so on he comes, laughing all the way to the cavern (or wherever trolls live). Sorry to sound so 'severe', but in what way is this wearisomely aggressive, provocative and mind-crushingly repetitious geezer, who for his own reasons seemingly can't do more on here than tediously beat his chest, effectively better than a troll? Heaven knows he's been given opportunities enough to change, and he's scorned them all. The fact is, he never will change unless he's forced to. If that [i]doesn't[/i] happen, why keep on piously wishing for a change that there's not the slightest reason to believe could ever come?
  
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #37 - 07/15/09 at 02:54:46
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Why does anyone respond to a thread entitled "Cowardice in Chess" started by resident loud mouth baffoon Gambit?

Once? Sure.  Twice? Maybe.  But after seemingly hundreds of rants from this broken record, if he won't be banned, shouldn't he at least be shunned?
  
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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #36 - 07/15/09 at 02:49:06
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TN wrote on 07/15/09 at 02:31:21:
For Black or for White?


For White! Eight games, seven wins, one loss = 88%. Still I am too cowardice to try it. The main line goes Qh4+ 4.g3 fxg3+ 5.Kg2 gxh2 6.Rxh2 Qxe4+ 7.Nf3. The game White lost went 4.Kf3 Qh5+ 5.g4 fxg3+, so maybe its fair to give it 100%.
  

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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #35 - 07/15/09 at 02:31:21
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MNb wrote on 07/15/09 at 02:20:38:
SWJediknight wrote on 07/14/09 at 21:13:46:
I could post a load of Black wins with the Fred Defence (1.e4 f5) and they would tell us nothing about the objective merits of the system.


One of the openings that scores best in my database is the Drunken King's Gambit - 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Kf2.


For Black or for White?

However, Black can play the Anti-Drunken King's Gambit 2...Nh6, with the idea of meeting 3.Kf2 with 3...d5!, threatening ...Ng4, ...Bc5, ...de4 and ...ef4. And it also does a good job of developing the kingside as unusually as possible.

  

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Re: Cowardice in Chess
Reply #34 - 07/15/09 at 02:27:07
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Gambit wrote on 07/14/09 at 19:34:57:

But what are you going to do when it is time to play in an over-the-board tournament where computer usage is not allowed? Answer: You will lose, because of your overdependence on the computer! You have gotten so used to using the computer that you have forgotten how to use your own heads!


QED. LDZ does not know better than repeating his cliche's over and over again, even though we have read them a thousand times. Must be the result of playing the stereotypal BDG too long.

SWJediknight wrote on 07/14/09 at 21:13:46:
I could post a load of Black wins with the Fred Defence (1.e4 f5) and they would tell us nothing about the objective merits of the system.


One of the openings that scores best in my database is the Drunken King's Gambit - 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Kf2.
  

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Reply #33 - 07/15/09 at 02:20:38
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SWJediknight wrote on 07/14/09 at 21:13:46:
I could post a load of Black wins with the Fred Defence (1.e4 f5) and they would tell us nothing about the objective merits of the system.


One of the openings that scores best in my database is the Drunken King's Gambit - 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Kf2.
  

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