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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #35 - 09/04/09 at 13:34:39
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Well, someone backs up my 'learn it backwards'-philosophy...
  
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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #34 - 09/03/09 at 23:34:58
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I think Aagaard's thoughts on studying an opening in Excelling at Chess are interesting.

He divides the work into basically into the 3 phases of the game. He creates a database of relevant games, recommending only games with players rated over 2350. Then first he will search for endgames and study those. Next he will work on the middlegame by playing through the 100-150 highest rated games. Every time he encounters a positional concept he adds it to a list of them for the opening. He will play through a group of games that contain the same concept to get a better grasp on it. Finally when all of that work is done he will start to work on theory.

  
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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #33 - 09/01/09 at 09:55:32
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@antillian: Just a reminder: Shereshevsky's Endgame Strategy has some thematic chapters that may help you:

- IQP (maybe the best chapter in the whole book);
- Pawn Majorities (also touches on the minority attack - but I suppose you can find more detailed analysis on that - I've seen a nice article by Tzermiadianos somewhere on the net; unfortunately for you it's in Greek - but I suppose you most probably have already found a lot of material on that);
- The Bishop pair.

The problem with us 1. e4 players is that we have to face less thematic/recurring positions, but here are some ideas from the top of my head:
a) Same treatment vs. the Sicilian, albeit involving some theoretically 'inferior' lines (many ways to do that, e.g. Classical Be2 lines against all / Bg2-lines against all / Bc4+O-O-O / English Attack against all / Maroczy Bind against all / Mixture of 2)
b) Combine Philidor with some lines of the Pirc & the Ruy Lopez
c) Sicilian Alapin (c3) may combine well with the French Advance / Sicilian Moscow (3. Bb5+) may give rise to positions similar to the Ruy Lopez (closed).
d) Play the Advance against both the French & the C-K
e) Play Main Line C-K, which combines well with the Scandinavian
f) Chose a system against the Alekhine that sometimes arrives to the same pawn structures as in the Scandinavian (or C-K) or the Philidor.
- A word of warning: the RL exchange does not fit well with the RL Berlin exchange lines or the Sicilian Rossolimo exchange lines.

Still, Black has to cooperate a lot  Grin
  

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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #32 - 08/31/09 at 19:13:29
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Antillian wrote on 08/31/09 at 18:15:06:
     
IQP              QGA                    NID
             Tarrasch                    Caro-kann Panno
Hanging                                  NID
Pawns                                  QGD Tartokower
Karlsbad    QGD Exchange                  Caro-kann Exchange
             4. Bg5 Grunfeld      
Bishop      Classical Nimzo,      
Pair              Slow Slav      

Time will tell whether it reaps benefits or not. 


Karlsbad. Probably the best pawn formation in the world.
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #31 - 08/31/09 at 18:15:06
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Sylvester wrote on 08/28/09 at 22:22:38:
I also think that Mr. Bauer wrote a wonderful article on opening study. I'm interested in one particular section of it:

"My basic premise is that for a player to truly "own" a defense, they must use that defense as a vehicle to expand their overall chess knowledge. This will require a real chess investment – much preparation, time, and effort will be required. However, the payoff can be significant.

I think that the player that puts in the time and effort required will become a better chess player. They will be better not only in the opening but in other stages as well, because to truly "know" their defense they will have to learn a lot about middlegames and endgames along the way."

I get the impression that the author is stating that the defense should provide the student with all that is necessary to progress, if it is studied properly. Maybe I've taken this too literally. Certainly there has to be a few layers of thought behind what has been said here. I realize some very strong players are viewing this thread and I would like to know their thoughts about this.

To kick-start. What role does generic learning of tactics and middle game play come into the process here? When should general tactics and general middle game study be put aside in favor of those found in the chosen defense? That is, when does generic study wane and esoteric study of the defense wax?  I'm only interested in provoking debate here to clarify what was written. 

Further: Do all defenses provide a broad enough spectrum of lessons to satisfy the requirements suggested by Mr. Bauer? Maybe some of the answer to this is a function of how much access the student has to a large library containing annotated games that include the defense. 

Can chess book authors step up here? Years ago there used to be chess books on the tactics of the Sicilian and the French. Maybe there were others too. These saved the student much time in finding tactics in the chosen opening. However, these kinds of books are not being produced any more. Maybe it's an oversight and should be put in a series like the "Starting Out" series. 

Maybe there should be a series like "Middle Game Play in the _?_ Defense" too. Am I being lazy to suggest such a thing?


I think it depends a lot on the openings you choose. Some openings are so specific in their themes that lessons learnt there might not be applicable elsewhere.

After jumping around a bit, I have settled down to a very narrow opening repertoire with with I am hoping to take advantage of reoccurring middlegame themes. I have basically come up with my own study plan for the next year where as I study these opening in more depth, that I would also study deeply four relevant middlegame themes as follows:

Theme    White                    Black
           
IQP              QGA                    NID
             Tarrasch                    Caro-kann Panno
Hanging                                  NID
Pawns                                  QGD Tartokower
Karlsbad    QGD Exchange                  Caro-kann Exchange
             4. Bg5 Grunfeld      
Bishop      Classical Nimzo,      
Pair              Slow Slav      

Time will tell whether it reaps benefits or not. 



  

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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #30 - 08/30/09 at 19:56:58
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LeeRoth wrote on 08/29/09 at 16:20:14:
One of the best ways to learn an opening is NOT to start with an opening book.  Find 20 or so GM games, preferably annotated, and play them over to absorb the plans and ideas.  Then get a good book, and start to learn the theory and the "if he goes there, I go there," kind of stuff.  

As for opening books, I always thought the ideal format for one would be to start with a general or historical overview, and then discuss the goals and plans for both White and Black, then have a chapter or two on typical tactics, typical maneuvers, typical endgames, and only then get heavy into the theory.  


   
  



I agree whole heartedly! This what I do when I put a new opening into practice in corr.
  
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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #29 - 08/29/09 at 16:20:14
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One of the best ways to learn an opening is NOT to start with an opening book.  Find 20 or so GM games, preferably annotated, and play them over to absorb the plans and ideas.  Then get a good book, and start to learn the theory and the "if he goes there, I go there," kind of stuff.   

As for opening books, I always thought the ideal format for one would be to start with a general or historical overview, and then discuss the goals and plans for both White and Black, then have a chapter or two on typical tactics, typical maneuvers, typical endgames, and only then get heavy into the theory.   


    
   

  
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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #28 - 08/29/09 at 11:24:04
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Sylvester wrote on 08/28/09 at 22:22:38:
Years ago there used to be chess books on the tactics of the Sicilian and the French. Maybe there were others too. These saved the student much time in finding tactics in the chosen opening. However, these kinds of books are not being produced any more. Maybe it's an oversight and should be put in a series like the "Starting Out" series. 

Maybe there should be a series like "Middle Game Play in the _?_ Defense" too. Am I being lazy to suggest such a thing?


I am no chess book writer nor an Expert of Master but your question raises an issue I have long thought of and am still mulling over. Having introduced my son to chess and "train" him up to Elo 1200 and at the same time have myself now reach Elo 1100, having also "imbibed" the lessons frequently iterated on this Forum, eg, by Markovich et al, on the importance of tactics, tactics tactics and endgame, having also looked at the late Ken Smith's article on improvement in chess, having also read lots of books on the teaching/training/coaching of chess including those by Chris Ward, Jesper Hall, Tim Harding, Matthew Sadler, Edmar Mednis, Chris Baker, Daniel King, et al,
when it comes to opening study, my proposition:

After a beginner has learned enough to play the game esp how to checkmate, I believe it is time for the player to learn an opening and as GM (cannot remember who) says, learn it well enough to get to the middlegame. I am not in favour of memorisation but when I say learn it, I mean the player must understand the ideas behind the opening enough to play through the first 10-15 moves (with the most common variations). Now, to tactics: if tactics is crucial, why is it we cannot combine tactics with opening by making available material on tactics arising from the opening of choice? Ie, if the Italian is chosen, then get the player to play through lots tactics which arise from the Italian.

My bugbear about the advice to concentrate of tactics, tactics etc is that chess knowledge has exploded exponentially. I think there is more to learn now than there was, say, 30 years ago. If so, why not be smart about it and prioritise learning of tactics or the type of tactics?

Now, I do understand there is an argument which says that a player should also play through tactics arising from other openings so as to broaden the chess knowledge. Yes, but why not couple this to opening study as above? That way, a player learns tactics as well as opening motifs and plans.

The same can be said for endgame as well. After all, Shereshevsky produced a two volume work on endgames based on the different openings and middlegames which arise.

Back to tactics arising from different openings, I suppose John Watson's point in Mastering the Chess Openings must be given due weight. This is his point on cross-pollination. However, surely that is for slightly more advanced players?

There are some old threads (which I found very useful) recommending learning openings via pawn structures. There was the series of books along these lines, usually beginning with "mastering ...". I had managed to get hold of one or two of these and for example, I found the one on the sicilian pawn structure useful when I had to understand the marocsy bind pawn structure (when playing 1 Nf3 and meeting 1...c5). However, I wish there were "workbooks" to supplement these where there are exercises with typical middlegame structures for the student to test him/herself. Learning the pawn structures is good but surely not enough......

In one of the regular blogs I read, ChessExpress (http://chessexpress.blogspot.com/2009/05/be-chess-hero.html), I came across this:

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TUESDAY, 19 MAY 2009
Be a Chess Hero!
Milan Ninchich is both a regular reader and regular contributor to this blog. If I was lazy I could probably just use his regular contributions to keep this blog going, and avoid my usual quota of hard work. Just in the last week he has sent me two very useful links with are worth sharing.
The first is to a chess training program called "Chess Hero". It is an interesting variant on the tactical trainers like CTArt 3.0 or sites on the net like www.chesstempo.com Chess Hero chooses positions at random from pgn files you specify yourself, and you have to choose the move that either matches the game continuation or the choose of the analysis engine you specify for the program. Specifying your own pgn files allows you to tailor the system to match your own interests. You might want to use a file of your own games or that of a player you particularly like (I'm using a collection of games from Rashid Nehzmetdinov). While you also need to provide your own analysis engine there are plenty of free ones around eg Fruit.
The program is free and can be downloaded from http://innokuo.altervista.org/chesshero.html


Now I have not had the time to try it as yet, but I presume this is exactly what I need to complete my "chess traing" as outlined above?

Any comments? Anyone used "Chesshero"?

As said, I am still mulling things over so the above may come across as a bit of a muddle?

(PS: There was also a thread some time ago by (I presume) an ex-member along similar lines to what I said above.)
  

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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #27 - 08/28/09 at 22:22:38
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I also think that Mr. Bauer wrote a wonderful article on opening study. I'm interested in one particular section of it:

"My basic premise is that for a player to truly "own" a defense, they must use that defense as a vehicle to expand their overall chess knowledge. This will require a real chess investment – much preparation, time, and effort will be required. However, the payoff can be significant.

I think that the player that puts in the time and effort required will become a better chess player. They will be better not only in the opening but in other stages as well, because to truly "know" their defense they will have to learn a lot about middlegames and endgames along the way."

I get the impression that the author is stating that the defense should provide the student with all that is necessary to progress, if it is studied properly. Maybe I've taken this too literally. Certainly there has to be a few layers of thought behind what has been said here. I realize some very strong players are viewing this thread and I would like to know their thoughts about this.

To kick-start. What role does generic learning of tactics and middle game play come into the process here? When should general tactics and general middle game study be put aside in favor of those found in the chosen defense? That is, when does generic study wane and esoteric study of the defense wax?  I'm only interested in provoking debate here to clarify what was written. 

Further: Do all defenses provide a broad enough spectrum of lessons to satisfy the requirements suggested by Mr. Bauer? Maybe some of the answer to this is a function of how much access the student has to a large library containing annotated games that include the defense. 

Can chess book authors step up here? Years ago there used to be chess books on the tactics of the Sicilian and the French. Maybe there were others too. These saved the student much time in finding tactics in the chosen opening. However, these kinds of books are not being produced any more. Maybe it's an oversight and should be put in a series like the "Starting Out" series. 

Maybe there should be a series like "Middle Game Play in the _?_ Defense" too. Am I being lazy to suggest such a thing?
  
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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #26 - 08/28/09 at 12:28:04
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IMJohnCox wrote on 08/27/09 at 22:21:01:
There used to be a really good article online somewhere by Randy Bauer about how to learn the Pirc. Annoyingly I can't find it now, but if someone cleverer than me can, that might inspire the OP.


Thanks IM Cox and JEH. I had a look at Silman's website last year, full of good stuff for novices but have forgotten about this. I guess the brain filters stuff as well at different stages in any process of learning new things.

The article is very good and clear and emphasises the hard work required to "master" an opening. I guess too many chessplayers (me included) fall into the trap of buying chess books and skim-reading it and then think we own the openings.

Sigh! At this rate, I won't make Master for another 10 years at the very least ......
  

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Reply #25 - 08/27/09 at 22:27:06
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IMJohnCox wrote on 08/27/09 at 22:21:01:
There used to be a really good article online somewhere by Randy Bauer about how to learn the Pirc. Annoyingly I can't find it now, but if someone cleverer than me can, that might inspire the OP.


You asked for someone cleverer than you, but he wasn't available, so I'll post it...

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_instructive_gms/040829_plyng_wn_yr_dfnc.html
  

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Reply #24 - 08/27/09 at 22:21:01
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I think we have to define our terms. Does 'specialise in openings' mean 'make opening study the main focus of their work on chess', or does it mean 'have certain openings which are their repertoire and which they play most of the time'? It seems to me that some posters are taking it with one meaning and others with the other. If the former, then it is obviously not true that all strong players do this; Jon Speelman, for example. If the latter then I guess most players play some openings more often than others, although there are players who are very unpredictable.

In any case the OP's plan sounds fine to me, as does the customary tactics-tactics-tactics (and endgames) advice. There used to be a really good article online somewhere by Randy Bauer about how to learn the Pirc. Annoyingly I can't find it now, but if someone cleverer than me can, that might inspire the OP.
  
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Reply #23 - 08/27/09 at 16:12:55
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rdecredico wrote on 08/27/09 at 15:24:10:


I compare those two all the time...I like oranges better.

POINT:  If you compare things that are identical,  there is nothing to compare/contrast, since they are indeed the same.  The only comparisons worth undertaking are those between "apples" and "oranges" (things that are different).


Huh  Shocked 

Are you a native English speaker? If you are, your statement is incomprehensible. If you are not, I can understand that you might not be aware that this is a common idiom. 
  

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POINT:  Comparisons are generally undertaken between/among things that are alike in some way(s).  In this case, the "way" in question is (well, aside from being carbon-based, belonging to the species Homo sapiens etc.) not having played in rated OTB tournaments.  Comparing people who have played in rated OTB tournaments with those who have not would be what is (in this case) referred to by the expression "comparing apples to oranges."  All clear, I hope.
  
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Re: Do USCF masters specialize in openings?
Reply #21 - 08/27/09 at 15:24:10
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Antillian wrote on 08/27/09 at 13:24:08:
TN wrote on 08/27/09 at 07:38:34:
Then it may interest you that an unrated player is playing at IM level in the Malaysian Open at present, beating IMs and drawing with GMs.


Surely you are comparing apples to oranges here.  



I compare those two all the time...I like oranges better.

POINT:  If you compare things that are identical,  there is nothing to compare/contrast, since they are indeed the same.  The only comparisons worth undertaking are those between "apples" and "oranges" (things that are different).


With regard to another point made by another user, reasonable intelligence has nothing to do with chess.  Plenty of reasonably intelligent people are u1800.  It's more about neural pathways, which do not necessarily equate to intelligence.

Savants are most definitely not of reasonable intelligence but can perform high level math functions.  Chess skill is closer to this type of human phenomena than it is any type of corollary to overall human intelligence.

  
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