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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #4 - 09/18/09 at 15:38:58
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Girkassa wrote on 09/18/09 at 15:27:44:


The kind of comment that perhaps bothers me the most, is when people write something like "White has compensation for the pawn" (even more annoying if it's more pawns, or a piece). Okay, I can usually see whether there is some compensation, but what are you actually saying? Is there "some, but not enough," is there "enough," or is there "more than enough" compensation? Not always that easy to say, of course, but still, I'd like to know the commentator's opinion.


To me, "Black has compensation" means, "Black has sufficient compensation."  

What most annoy me are comments that assume familiarity with the players.  "Joe sacrifices a piece...".  I've even seen it in chess books.  It's quite unimportant to the reader that any given commentator has one of the players among his familiar acquaintances, and it's a safe bet that he himself doesn't.
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #3 - 09/18/09 at 15:32:11
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The most frequently used  useless chess comments are surely: " += " and " =+ "
  

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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #2 - 09/18/09 at 15:27:44
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I believe "putting the question to the bishop" says more than just "the pawn threatens the bishop." I believe the deeper meaning is: "Now the opponent has to decide what to do with the bishop," again implying that every solution for the bishop has a downside. When White has a bishop at g5, and Black plays ...h6, White often has three possibilities:

- Exchanging it for Black's knight on f6, which often isn't desirable.
- Retreating it somewhere along c1-f4, when Black has got rid of the pressure/pin on the f6 knight.
- Retreating it to h4, where it could be vulnerable to a later ...g5. Besides, the bishop might later be needed somewhere along the c1-f4 diagonal.

When Black forces White to make that choice, White's choice may affect how Black should continue; thus, it's useful for Black to "put the question to White's bishop." In my opinion, that's much more than just "threatening White's bishop," which in itself isn't much of an achievement.

The kind of comment that perhaps bothers me the most, is when people write something like "White has compensation for the pawn" (even more annoying if it's more pawns, or a piece). Okay, I can usually see whether there is some compensation, but what are you actually saying? Is there "some, but not enough," is there "enough," or is there "more than enough" compensation? Not always that easy to say, of course, but still, I'd like to know the commentator's opinion.
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #1 - 09/18/09 at 15:19:17
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Yes, some dismal writing in chess books. Pardon the tangent but...

A common error that annoys me:

'Peaked X's interest' rather than 'piqued'.
Used my two Chesspub writers in their books, though will not name and shame as they are nice fellows. An error that really leaps out.
Grrrr. Harrumph. The state of education today.

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Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
09/18/09 at 15:09:30
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is there any chess quote more frequent and conferring less information than:

putting the question to the bishop as Nimzowitsch used to say

I'm sure I have even seen variations of this quote several times in the same opening book, whenever a3, h3, a6 or h6 is played threatening a bishop. 

So what makes this quote so popular? 

Does it contain some incredibly insight compared to "the pawn threatens the bishop" or for that matter, no comment at all? 

Or is it the chance to let the reader know that the author is well read, having memorised important wisdom from My System?

Or is it just useful in filling the page with more than just move notation?

Or are people so used to saying it, that they like Pavlovian dogs, tend to put it in writing whenever they see e.g. Bg5 h6 ?

Anyone else being annoyed by this or another ubiquitous chess commentary?
  
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