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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #49 - 02/12/12 at 13:27:35
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chk wrote on 02/10/12 at 09:23:10:
I read today a rather useless comment (maybe sth similar has been mentioned already):

Well, our repertoire choice may not be the main line, but GM xxx has been playing this for years, so there must be a good reason for this! And if zzz system is good enough for GM xxx, then I dare say it's good enough for you and me.

Not particularly helpful, huh? Shocked Cheesy


This reminds me about a strong player who started playing the Nimzo, with the following reason:

"I don't understand why people give up the bishop pair so early, but the Nimzo is so popular I'm sure I will understand it in a while!"

Needless to say, his results weren't too impressive...
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #48 - 02/12/12 at 13:17:46
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MarkG wrote on 02/12/12 at 04:56:48:
A popular one around these parts: "It's a game of chess".


Perhaps rather meaningless if taken literally, but I think it has been pretty much established as an expression meaning that both sides can play for a win (i.e. about equal, but not drawish). Still, I agree it's a bit vague.
  
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Reply #47 - 02/12/12 at 04:56:48
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A popular one around these parts: "It's a game of chess". 

What the hell does that even mean? 1.f3 e5 2.g4 Qh4++ is also a game of chess.
  
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Reply #46 - 02/12/12 at 03:32:36
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Fabulous thread. Many of these examples had me biting on granite.
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #45 - 02/10/12 at 21:28:57
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 02/10/12 at 20:21:46:
..... since you arguably have to accept a gambit to refute it....

It is even wrong. There are a few gambits which are dangerously close of being refuted by declining the pawn. A notorious example is 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3.
  

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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #44 - 02/10/12 at 20:57:51
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Any time an author puts "with practical chances" and doesn't qualify the statement with an actual evaluation.

"White is better, but black retains practical chances" is something that has meaning to it, and tells you something about the position. 

"White has practical chances" by itself means nothing - white could be worse, equal, or better, but not with enough of an edge to win against good play - the author might as well not write anything at all in that scenario. A simple "+=" or similar would actually tell you more.
  

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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #43 - 02/10/12 at 20:21:46
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"The first step in refuting a gambit is to accept it". 

It just seems like a pointless saying, especially since you arguably have to accept a gambit to refute it.... in which case it's not a step to refuting it but a requirement. 

It's not making some good point like, we have to develop our pieces or to try and create the weaknesses. It doesn't say anything, I think maybe people like it because of the supposed "paradox" between accepting and refuting.
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #42 - 02/10/12 at 09:58:59
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chk wrote on 02/10/12 at 09:23:10:
I read today a rather useless comment (maybe sth similar has been mentioned already):

Well, our repertoire choice may not be the main line, but GM xxx has been playing this for years, so there must be a good reason for this! And if zzz system is good enough for GM xxx, then I dare say it's good enough for you and me.

Not particularly helpful, huh? Shocked Cheesy

Grin We can only hope this GM is not Vadim Zvjaginsev!
And I state here that I won't open my games with 1.e4 c5 2.Na3   Shocked
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadim_Zvjaginsev
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #41 - 02/10/12 at 09:23:10
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I read today a rather useless comment (maybe sth similar has been mentioned already):

Well, our repertoire choice may not be the main line, but GM xxx has been playing this for years, so there must be a good reason for this! And if zzz system is good enough for GM xxx, then I dare say it's good enough for you and me.

Not particularly helpful, huh? Shocked Cheesy
  

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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #40 - 02/10/12 at 08:10:33
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winawer77 wrote on 09/19/09 at 10:45:17:
'Putting the question to the bishop' is of course overused, but when used appropriately, it makes sense. It is forcing your opponent to decide what he will do with the bishop - exchange it, or retreat.


I don't think that is the question that is put to the Bishop.
From h4 a bishop will keep the pin on the knight but won't be able to easily access the diagonals that look towards black's Qside, nor the a1-h8 diagonal and the others that look towards black's Kside for that matters.
So the question would be more something like, Do you wanna retain the possibility to play on the whole board or do you wanna keep the pin but confine yourself to that role?
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #39 - 02/09/12 at 11:56:28
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What has started annoying me is false modesty, e.g. I can hardly calculate a 2 move combination from some GM. I would rather have Capablanca's honest proud opinion of his play.
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #38 - 01/23/12 at 12:28:16
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The " a matter of taste " makes me think of culinary delights, not chess. This is overused in the Forum. Too many cooks have spoiled the broth. Let's use some originality instead of this bland remark.

The " light squared bishop " could easily be " light square bishop ". Let's get modern on this one.
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #37 - 01/19/12 at 18:38:04
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Of course there are unclear positions in chess. 

The main problem with "unclear" as a comment is that it's useless. It doesn't describe how to play the position or what signposts to use to evaluate the ensuing complications. 

  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #36 - 01/19/12 at 10:46:56
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Some positions are genuinely hard to assess, e.g. the 8.Qd2 Qxb2 9.Rb1 Qa3 lines of the Najdorf Poisoned Pawn have sometimes been assessed as "unclear" at around moves 10-12, and reams of analysis has generally yielded positions at moves 15-20 which are also hard to assess (as Graham Burgess mentioned in his Mammoth Book of Chess, this is inevitable in a genuinely unclear position).   The trick there, though, is to explain to the reader why the positions are hard to assess, rather than just giving a line and concluding with "unclear".

However I'm well aware that some books assess positions as "unclear" when a little further analysis reveals that one side (often the side against the opening that the author is proposing) is actually clearly better.

I identify with the "having all the fun" comments as I am one of those chessplayers who sees a complex, knife-edge game as an end in itself, rather than just playing to achieve a result with the greatest efficiency.  Nonetheless I agree that in isolation the comments are very unhelpful and should be qualified with something like "full compensation for the material because of open lines, the stranded white king and the shattered white pawn structure" or "this sacrifice is probably unsound because of White's Na3-c2 idea, but with White's stranded king and the threats of ...Bh3 the defence will be difficult to play, making it a good bet for blitz".  There was a piece sacrifice by David Norwood (Saeed-Norwood, London 1984) in the Modern Benoni which was notorious for provoking comments along the lines, "Black has all the fun" and little or no objective analysis, when objectively the sacrifice is a bit dubious.
  
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Re: Most frequent useless chess quote/comment?
Reply #35 - 01/19/12 at 09:37:20
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Dink Heckler wrote on 01/16/12 at 11:35:28:
rdecredico wrote on 09/18/09 at 16:48:40:
"______ is a rook down but _____ will be the one having all the fun."


This 'having all the fun' crap winds me up too. I always take it to mean: 'may be worth a try in bullet, but don't come crying to me if it doesn't pan out'...gee, thanks. If I wanted to have fun, I'd be playing with my kids, not sitting here playing some marginal rubbish in the hopes of a swindle.


If I wanted to have fun, I would not be playing chess.
  
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