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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #28 - 07/10/11 at 20:39:30
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Alas, I would have loved to play 32...bxa4 at the end the game, but because of 30.axb5 it was against the rules.
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #27 - 07/10/11 at 19:56:09
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MNb wrote on 10/01/10 at 20:29:11:
When I faced 3.Nc3 no less than four times in the CL I decided to try the Portisch Variation (Lady sings the blues) twice. A few months ago one game ended in a draw. As I was very busy with school I simply forgot to put the game score here.

Kukula,Pawel - MNb
CB/2010/C2, 2010
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4 8.Nf3 b6 9.c4 Ba6 10.cxd5 Bxf1 11.Kxf1 exd5 12.g3 Ne7 13.Kg2 0–0 14.c3 Qc6 15.Bg5 Ng6 16.a4 Nd7 17.Re1 f6 18.exf6 Nxf6 19.Bxf6 Rxf6 20.Ne5 Nxe5 21.Rxe5 Raf8 22.f4 Rf5 23.Rxf5 Rxf5 24.Ra2 Rf6 25.Re2 Re6 26.Re5 Rxe5 27.fxe5 cxd4 28.cxd4 a6 29.Qb3 b5 30.axb5 axb5 31.h4 Qc4 32.Qd1 b4 33.e6 Qc6 ˝–˝

Again I never felt in danger, but also short of winning chances.


8.Nf3 got White nowhere is this game and at the end Black would have been a little better if he had played 32... bxa4.

To me it seems obvious that the Portisch Variation is the best name for 6... Qa5. I wouldn't take Moskalenko's Black Queen's Blues too seriously. I think he's just trying to juice up the text a bit to make his books more interesting for marketing purposes.
  
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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #26 - 07/05/11 at 14:57:49
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JEH posted the link to this thread after I commented in another thread that "How to Open a Chess Game" is one of my all time favorite books.  The Portisch variation was my inspiration to try the French Defense for the first time over 35 years ago (mostly Kan Sicilians before that time) and the following game was my first foray in a tournament game.  While not theoretically valuable due to some early inaccuracies, it was an example to me of the practical value of the unusual (at the time) queen move which threw my much higher rated opponent off track.  

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1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qa5 7. Bd2 Qa4 8. Qg4 Ne7 9. Qxg7 Rg8 10. Qxh7 cxd4 11. Be2 Nbc6 12. f4? dxc3 13. Bxc3 Qxf4 14. Nh3 Qf5 15. Qxf5 Nxf5 16. Kf2 d4 17. Bd2 Nxe5 18. Rhe1 Ng4+ 19. Bxg4 Rxg4 20. Nf4 Bd7 21. h3 Rg8 22. g4 Nd6 23. Ne2?? Ne4+ and White Resigned

  
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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #25 - 10/01/10 at 20:29:11
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When I faced 3.Nc3 no less than four times in the CL I decided to try the Portisch Variation (Lady sings the blues) twice. A few months ago one game ended in a draw. As I was very busy with school I simply forgot to put the game score here.

Kukula,Pawel - MNb
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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4 8.Nf3 b6 9.c4 Ba6 10.cxd5 Bxf1 11.Kxf1 exd5 12.g3 Ne7 13.Kg2 0–0 14.c3 Qc6 15.Bg5 Ng6 16.a4 Nd7 17.Re1 f6 18.exf6 Nxf6 19.Bxf6 Rxf6 20.Ne5 Nxe5 21.Rxe5 Raf8 22.f4 Rf5 23.Rxf5 Rxf5 24.Ra2 Rf6 25.Re2 Re6 26.Re5 Rxe5 27.fxe5 cxd4 28.cxd4 a6 29.Qb3 b5 30.axb5 axb5 31.h4 Qc4 32.Qd1 b4 33.e6 Qc6 ˝–˝

Again I never felt in danger, but also short of winning chances.
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #24 - 05/28/10 at 18:40:43
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Reverse wrote on 05/28/10 at 03:59:00:
after about 5 mins of talking about his current plans.


thanks for video link   Smiley

Select: "Live Kasparov : calling Kasparov in Moscow"

from 06:26 to 07:26 (if you want to skip the intro)

  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #23 - 05/28/10 at 03:59:00
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So I made the trek to St. Louis, Missouri in the USA for the championship. What an incredible experience! All those US players were very friendly and the staff at the club was incredible. 

Anyway, I was able to speak to Nakamura's second about there opening choice. They had spent 18 hours! preparing over two days for that game. This game took place after the rest day. The Qa4 move, was something they didn't spend much time on. In fact Nakamura said he only knew of the game Kasparov - Anand; he was following this game, however Anand didn't play h6 like shulman did. The interesting part is that during the game KASPAROV called the live broadcast and commented on the game, after about 5 mins of talking about his current plans. 

here is the link to the website. the kasparov interview is among a bunch of other videos that can be selected on the right of the video viewer.

http://saintlouischessclub.org/videos
  
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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #22 - 05/26/10 at 09:54:29
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It should also be mentioned that Viktor Moskalenko devotes a 24-page chapter of The Flexible French to the 7...Qa4 blockade.  Moskaleko  focuses on complete thematic games, with excellent coverage not, however, intended to be encyclopedic. He credits the variation to Portisch and  Hook, including photographs of both men in the chapter, but with typical enthusiasm and ingenuousness names  the variation the "Black Queen Blues," with a picture of Ella Fitzgerald! (?!). I suppose we are fortunate that the French Defense as a whole is not represented by Aimé Césaire.
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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #21 - 05/25/10 at 16:33:28
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Shulman's win was down to an oversight by Naka (23.Rh2??) in a position that was close to equal.  Perhaps the opening played a part in the loss, but we shouldn't get too excited by it.  Naka got a pretty comfortable game out of the opening.
  
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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #20 - 05/25/10 at 13:35:58
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Accolon wrote on 05/24/10 at 16:39:25:
Great game by Schulman yesterday. Maybe Kamsky had prepared that line for his match vs. Topalov. Schulman was part of his team. Topalov chose 3.Nd2 though.


[Event "ch-USA Quads"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2010.05.23"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Nakamura,Hi"]
[Black "Shulman,Y"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2733"]
[BlackElo "2613"]
[EventDate "2010.05.22"]
[ECO "C18"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qa5 7. Bd2 Qa4 8.
Nf3 Nc6 9. h4 cxd4 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. h5 Nxd4 12. Bd3 h6 13. Kf1 Nxf3 14.
Qxf3 b6 15. Qg3 Ba6 16. Qxg7 Bxd3+ 17. cxd3 Rg8 18. Qxh6 Qd4 19. Re1 Qxd3+
20. Kg1 Rc8 21. Bg5 Qf5 22. f4 Rc2 23. Rh2 Qd3 24. Qf6 Rxg5 25. Qxg5 Qd4+
26. Kh1 Qe3 0-1


11.c4 might be an improvement although after 11...Qd1 12.Rd1 dc4 13.Bc4 Nd5 Black shouldn't be any worse.

My recommendation would be 11.Bd3 Nd4 12.Rb1, aiming for an improved version of Nakamura's sacrifice. Need to Fritz it, though. 
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #19 - 05/25/10 at 13:33:58
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According to Monokroussos 23.Rh2 was a blunder. Still Black was already slightly better.

http://www.thechessmind.net/storage/chess-posts/usch2010_rd9.htm
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #18 - 05/24/10 at 21:52:14
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@Accolon: 

I just looked at the game...according to chessbase website, Nakamura played the opening quickly...maybe that's why I don't understand Nakamura did'nt play the 8.Qb1 or 8.Rb1 moves while Shulman played with classical "french" style.

9...cxd4!? leads directly to Kasparov's gambit variation, where I don't know the move 9...h6 (9...Ndf5!? is one system biven by Watson) but 14...b6! is very clear cut strategy from Black

  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #17 - 05/24/10 at 16:39:25
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Great game by Schulman yesterday. Maybe Kamsky had prepared that line for his match vs. Topalov. Schulman was part of his team. Topalov chose 3.Nd2 though.


[Event "ch-USA Quads"]
[Site "Saint Louis USA"]
[Date "2010.05.23"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Nakamura,Hi"]
[Black "Shulman,Y"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2733"]
[BlackElo "2613"]
[EventDate "2010.05.22"]
[ECO "C18"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qa5 7. Bd2 Qa4 8.
Nf3 Nc6 9. h4 cxd4 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. h5 Nxd4 12. Bd3 h6 13. Kf1 Nxf3 14.
Qxf3 b6 15. Qg3 Ba6 16. Qxg7 Bxd3+ 17. cxd3 Rg8 18. Qxh6 Qd4 19. Re1 Qxd3+
20. Kg1 Rc8 21. Bg5 Qf5 22. f4 Rc2 23. Rh2 Qd3 24. Qf6 Rxg5 25. Qxg5 Qd4+
26. Kh1 Qe3 0-1
  
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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #16 - 04/02/10 at 01:42:21
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Hook after Qg4 always played ...Kf8, while Portisch preferred ...g6 - and the latter already did so in the 50's.
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #15 - 04/01/10 at 22:39:49
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6...Qa5 has also been called the Hook variation if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea whether Bill Hook played it before Portisch, but the great Lajos was certainly the stronger player of these two.
  

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Reply #14 - 04/01/10 at 13:18:21
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The Great Lajos's name would be on a lot of variations if he had all the credit that was due to him.  But maybe if we agree here to call this the Portisch Variation, some writers and editors will take notice.
  

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Reply #13 - 04/01/10 at 12:35:53
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Psachis doesn't mention 6...Bd7. Both 7.a4 and 7.Qg4 look good.
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #12 - 04/01/10 at 11:57:37
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What´s the refutation of 6...Bd7 actually?
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Bd7 with the idea 7. ...Ba4
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #11 - 04/01/10 at 11:11:33
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http://www.newinchess.com/The_French_Defence_Reworked__Volume_1-p-2354.html


Looks like Andrew Martin finally got around to covering it. And as part of a series no less!!!

Is it really only 91 minutes?
  

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Reply #10 - 01/03/10 at 10:40:19
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Move Bd7 can be one original idea in other lines of Winawer, for example, in the Geller variation:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Bd3!? (Geller) Qa5 8.Bd2 c4 (8...Bd7 9.Qg4 c4 10.Be2 oo 11.Nf3 Qa4 12.Ra2 Nbc6 13.oo f6 14.exf6 Rxf6 +=) 9.Bf1 (9.Be2 oo=) and now 9...Bd7!? (instead of 9...Nd7 Glass-Golz 1956 (Watson) or 9...Qa4!?) with the idea, White has no better move than 10.Nf3 because if 10.Qg4 oo 11.Nf3 (11.Nh3 f6) Qa4 12.Ra2 Qb5 -/+
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #9 - 01/03/10 at 10:16:27
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"Portisch variation" seems fine name.
My current data gives advantage to White in following lines:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4 (in the "main line", 7....Ne7 8.Nf3 Bd7 the move a4 is played because of the positional threat of c4 and Ba4, blocking play for White dark squere bishop) 8.Qg4 Kf8 (8..g6 9.Nf3 Karjakin-Zhang Pengxiang,  FIDE World Cup Khanty-Mansiysk 2007 ; 8...Ne7 9.Qxg7 Rg8 10.Qxh7 cxd4 11.Ne2 Nbc6 12.f4 Bd7 13.Qd3 Nf5 14.g3 ooo 15.Kf2 f6 16.exf6 Rdf8 17.cxd4 Rxf6 18.Qb3 Qxb3 19.cxb3 Mitkov-Hernandez,Mexico City 2006 ) 9.c4!? (9.Qd1 Fischer Ne7 10.Nf3 b6 11.c4 Ba6 Ziatdinov-Levitt,Dublin 1991 (Psakhis)) Nc6 Vogt-Krivosheja,Leutersdorf 1998 (Jovicic)
  

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Reply #8 - 01/03/10 at 03:29:17
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MNb wrote on 01/03/10 at 03:26:20:
I have another question. The positions after 6...Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4 8.Qg4 Kf8 and after 6...Ne7 7.Qg4 Kf8 8.Bd2 Qc7 are quite similar. Is a4 really such a good square that Black can afford to spend a whole tempo?


Yes. He does it in a version of the classical main line of the Winawer as well (1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a5 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Ne7 7. Nf3 Bd7 8. Bd3/Be2 Ba4).

Both ideas prevents a4, and inhibits c4, in the case of Qa5-a4. There's also the awkward pressure on c2 that's created.
  

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Reply #7 - 01/03/10 at 03:26:20
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I have another question. The positions after 6...Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4 8.Qg4 Kf8 and after 6...Ne7 7.Qg4 Kf8 8.Bd2 Qc7 are quite similar. Is a4 really such a good square that Black can afford to spend a whole tempo?
  

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Reply #6 - 09/28/09 at 11:14:38
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a very interesting variation. A bit offbeat but fully playable. I think I will take a closer look.
  
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Reply #5 - 09/23/09 at 06:24:29
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I agree that the name 'Portisch Winawer' would be the most appropriate name for the variation.

Interestingly, Moskalenko refers to this variation as the 'Black Queen Blues' although he himself states that Portisch was the first grandmaster to play this success.
  

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Reply #4 - 09/23/09 at 04:52:23
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I am not sure if I am satisfied with the answer "the future of that bishop lies on d7." I have also looked at 8.Qg4 and Kf8 9.Qd1 (9.c4 is Psakhis' suggestion) b6 10.h4 Ba6 looked reasonable to me, of course because the question "what to do with Bc8" has been answered.
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #3 - 09/23/09 at 03:58:15
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Incidentally there is an article about this line in the current NIC yearbook, by the Spanish grandmaster Alexis Cabrera.  One thing he says is that after 8. Qb1 c4 9. Ne2 Nc6 10. Nf4 Bd7 11. g3 0-0-0 12. Bh3, the position is unclear.  He seems to think that 8. Qg4 should lead to a slight advantage for White with best play.
  
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Reply #2 - 09/23/09 at 03:20:59
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I second this suggestion. The line 8.Qb1 c4 9.Ne2 Nc6 10.Nf4 worries me quite a lot though. The black queen may have found a nice square, but what about the infamous Bc8 ?
  

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Re: The nameless ...7. Qa4 variation of the Winawer
Reply #1 - 09/22/09 at 18:20:07
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Buford wrote on 09/22/09 at 16:09:50:

Lajos Portisch wrote Chapter 4, "Developing an Opening Repertoire," for the 1974 RHM Press book "How to Open a Chess Game".


Great book. I had a happy time playing the French based on his recommendations many years ago.
  

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C18: The nameless 7...Qa4 variation of the Winawer
09/22/09 at 16:09:50
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I suggest this be called the Portisch variation.

Lajos Portisch wrote Chapter 4, "Developing an Opening Repertoire," for the 1974 RHM Press book "How to Open a Chess Game".

Portisch recommended solid defenses with the virtues of simplicity and economy. Of the ...7. Qa4 variation, Portisch said 

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As a young master I developed a system against White's early Queen maneuver (poisoned pawn) by playing my own Queen out first.   Thus White's Queenside is blockaded. Such blockading is the essence of this variation. The Black Queen is ideally posted on a4. its presence precluding White's often useful developing moves a4 and Ba3. The only question is: How dangerous will White's initiative on the Kingside  be?
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Portisch then uses his games-Berger-Portisch 1956, Parma-Portisch 1961, Uusi-Portisch 1957 and Dely-Portisch 1957- to further illustrate the variation.

A very few played the variation before Portisch and many have played it more often. After all, Portisch usually defended e4 with e5 or the Sicilian. But recommending an almost unknown defense in a classic chess book, surely played a big part in influencing people to look at and perhaps try out the variation.

In case you are interested, Portisch also recommended the ...4. b6 variation against the Winawer. The Guimard was his choice against the Tarrasch. He gave no analysis for the Advance or Exchange variations. The chapter was just 40 pages long. His comments were:

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The Exchange Variation cannot pose any real problems for Black, who can adjust his play to his blood pressure....


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...after 1.e4 e6, 2. d4 d5, 3. e5 c5, 4. c3 nc6, 5. nf3 Qb6 Black already stands very well.


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