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Question: Who will win Nanjing 2009?


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Veselin Topalov 5 (16.7%) Magnus Carlsen 23 (76.7%) Dmitry Jakovenko 0 (0.0%) Teimour Radjabov 1 (3.3%) Peter Leko 1 (3.3%) Wang Yue 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 30 « Created by: TN on: 09/27/09 at 22:19:57 »

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Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) (Read 35283 times)

rdecredico Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 71 Joined: 08/26/09	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #32 - 10/02/09 at 14:11:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	gewgaw wrote on 10/02/09 at 13:02:41: This was arguably the greatest achievement in the history of tournament chess. Polgar's "Sack of Rome" is perhaps more impressive.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #31 - 10/02/09 at 14:07:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	I forget which Candidates tournament it was, but didn't Kotov have an absolutely amazing performance in the mid 1950s-early 60s? A single tournament isn't enough to get too excited about, but Carlsen is really showing us something with the way he is winning these games. He seems to be at a different level than these 2700+ patzers.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #30 - 10/02/09 at 14:03:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	gewgaw wrote on 10/02/09 at 13:02:41: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1003311 The field at Linares 1994 was one of the strongest ever, and Kasparov prior to the event commented that the winner could call himself "world champion of tournament chess". He were to regret having said that. Karpov smashed the world elite to bits and pieces with an amazing score of 11/13 (+9 =4 -0) and a record performance rating of 2985, after having won his first 6 games and left Kasparov and Shirov 2.5 points behind. This was arguably the greatest achievement in the history of tournament chess. Karpov´s performance was nearly 3000!! and that was before the rating inflation really began to tell...

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gewgaw God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 687 Location: europe Joined: 09/09/04	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #29 - 10/02/09 at 13:45:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambitch wrote on 10/02/09 at 13:38:57: Stigma wrote on 10/02/09 at 12:07:59: This now looks set to become on of the best tournament performances ever on top level! That's impressive indeed. If he "only" draws the remaining five games his perfomance will be 2911. To break the record he needs 3.5 out of the five last games. That would result in a performance of 3002! Indeed and a new rating of 2801 at the age of 19. Maybe he´s the first person who breaks the 2900 barrier!?!?

	The older, the better - over 2200 and still rising.
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Gambitch YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 4 Joined: 10/02/09	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #28 - 10/02/09 at 13:38:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stigma wrote on 10/02/09 at 12:07:59: This now looks set to become on of the best tournament performances ever on top level! That's impressive indeed. If he "only" draws the remaining five games his perfomance will be 2911. To break the record he needs 3.5 out of the five last games. That would result in a performance of 3002!


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gewgaw God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 687 Location: europe Joined: 09/09/04	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #27 - 10/02/09 at 13:02:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1003311 The field at Linares 1994 was one of the strongest ever, and Kasparov prior to the event commented that the winner could call himself "world champion of tournament chess". He were to regret having said that. Karpov smashed the world elite to bits and pieces with an amazing score of 11/13 (+9 =4 -0) and a record performance rating of 2985, after having won his first 6 games and left Kasparov and Shirov 2.5 points behind. This was arguably the greatest achievement in the history of tournament chess. Karpov´s performance was nearly 3000!!

	The older, the better - over 2200 and still rising.
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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3277 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #26 - 10/02/09 at 12:59:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Topalov at San Luis definitely a candidate.

	Improvement begins at the edge of your comfort zone. -Jonathan Rowson
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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #25 - 10/02/09 at 12:27:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Don't forget Topalov - San Luis (2005) - 2890!

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3277 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #24 - 10/02/09 at 12:07:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	This now looks set to become one of the best tournament performances ever on top level! Does anybody know/have an opinion on who currently holds that record? Linares 1994 comes to mind, and was on top of the list at www.chessmetrics.com (see "Summary"). According to Sonas, the 10 best tournament performances (excluding matches) up to 2004 were: #1 Anatoly Karpov 2899 performance: 11/13 (85%) vs 2729 Linares, 1994 #4 Garry Kasparov 2881 performance: 12/14 (86%) vs 2692 Tilburg, 1989 #5 Emanuel Lasker 2878 performance: 18/22 (82%) vs 2667 London, 1899 #6 Garry Kasparov 2877 performance: 10.5/14 (75%) vs 2758 Linares, 1999 #11 Mikhail Tal 2869 performance: 20/28 (71%) vs 2716 Bled/Zagreb/Belgrade (Candidates), 1959 #12 Alexander Alekhine 2865 performance: 13/14 (93%) vs 2626 San Remo, 1930 #13 Garry Kasparov 2863 performance: 10/13 (77%) vs 2737 Linares, 1993 #15 Alexander Alekhine 2859 performance: 19.5/24 (81%) vs 2644 Bled, 1931 #16 Garry Kasparov 2856 performance: 11.5/15 (77%) vs 2715 Belfort (World Cup), 1988 #17 Garry Kasparov 2855 performance: 10/13 (77%) vs 2728 Linares, 1992 (NB: performances given in "Chessmetrics rating", not FIDE Elo) I don't know if anyone has surpassed Karpov in the last few years?
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Blunderer Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 66 Joined: 06/10/08	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #23 - 10/02/09 at 10:11:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well another convincing win today from Carlsen - +4 after 5 games, Radjabov play looked very risky, and was duely punished in double quick time


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Schaakhamster God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 650 Joined: 05/13/08	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #22 - 10/02/09 at 06:44:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb wrote on 10/02/09 at 04:30:44: Yes, I like Dennis Monokroussos comment: there are three groups. 1. Carlsen 2. Those who have lost to Carlsen 3. Those who still have to meet Carlsen. This was before Carlsen's only draw, but still seems appropriate. Although he getting trained by Kasparov and the openings are clearly signed GK I do find Carlsen's style very different compared to GK. He kinds of keeps pressing untill his opponent drops the ball. Very impressive. Perhaps it is too early but he keeps this up it might just be a matter of time before he becomes WC.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #21 - 10/02/09 at 04:30:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, I like Dennis Monokroussos comment: there are three groups. 1. Carlsen 2. Those who have lost to Carlsen 3. Those who still have to meet Carlsen. This was before Carlsen's only draw, but still seems appropriate.

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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #20 - 10/01/09 at 17:11:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Wow, only Carlsen appears to be able to win a game in this tournament.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #19 - 10/01/09 at 12:40:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: of course after magnus had 2/2 everyone knew from the beginning magnus was going to win this If I recall correctly, Carlsen was way ahead in the poll before the first round. Now had the news not broken that Kasparov was coaching Carlsen, I suspect he would not have come ahead in the poll.

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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #18 - 10/01/09 at 11:52:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, tbh I wasn't (was waiting for Radjabov), but now it's 3/4 with a nice overall performance and some cool defence today. Radjabov on the other hand missed a good chance today (both games turned in late middlegame / endgame in favour of Carlsen). Round 3 Results: Wang Yue-Leko .5-.5 Radjabov-Topalov .5-.5 Jakovenko-Carlsen 0-1

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