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Question: Who will win Nanjing 2009?


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Veselin Topalov 5 (16.7%) Magnus Carlsen 23 (76.7%) Dmitry Jakovenko 0 (0.0%) Teimour Radjabov 1 (3.3%) Peter Leko 1 (3.3%) Wang Yue 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 30 « Created by: TN on: 09/27/09 at 22:19:57 »

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Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) (Read 35268 times)

Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #77 - 10/09/09 at 04:56:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	And Magnus tallied one more win in the last round...just for good measure. Wow.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #76 - 10/08/09 at 10:50:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Carlsen may be having a dream tournament, but Leko's having a nightmare of one. Uggh.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #75 - 10/08/09 at 10:41:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Schaakhamster wrote on 10/07/09 at 10:01:21: Willempie wrote on 10/07/09 at 08:10:15: In Dutch we have a saying: One swallow does not yet a summer make. We just have to see how he holds over a longer period. A few years back Topalov seemed invincible, but he now has lost that image. Well to be honest there is a big difference. Carlsen has been touted as the next big thing since he was 13 years old. If goes on to dominate like K&K nobody would be surprised. I'd be. It is a big step to go to the top, but it is a much bigger step even to be dominating that top. Only the 2Ks and maybe Fischer have done that since WW2.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #74 - 10/08/09 at 10:24:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	As usual Topalov is keeping up to date fast - his win with the Gruenfeld as Black against Leko has got to be one of the highlights of the tournament.


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Girkassa Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 433 Joined: 04/07/07	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #73 - 10/08/09 at 09:58:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yet another Grunfeld draw! This is really turning into a nightmare opening for Magnus...... Anyway, congrats to Magnus for removing all theoretical doubt about winning the tournament!


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #72 - 10/08/09 at 09:20:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	Antillian wrote on 10/06/09 at 12:56:55: Still a chance for him to go 2-0 against Radjabov and Jakovenko. But two draws to finish off is more likley. We shall see. Yep, MC got a seemingly effortless Grunfeld draw as black today.


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Schaakhamster God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 650 Joined: 05/13/08	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #71 - 10/07/09 at 10:01:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie wrote on 10/07/09 at 08:10:15: In Dutch we have a saying: One swallow does not yet a summer make. We just have to see how he holds over a longer period. A few years back Topalov seemed invincible, but he now has lost that image. Well to be honest there is a big difference. Carlsen has been touted as the next big thing since he was 13 years old. If goes on to dominate like K&K nobody would be surprised. Topalov, on the other hand, made the most of the void after the retirement of Kasparov. He was, for a short period, able to raise his level above his peers. He hasn't been able to sustain that level (although I wouldn't count him out yet) but then again few people would have guessed he was able to reach that level in the first place (hence the accusations of cheating after San Luis).


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #70 - 10/07/09 at 08:10:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	In Dutch we have a saying: One swallow does not yet a summer make. We just have to see how he holds over a longer period. A few years back Topalov seemed invincible, but he now has lost that image.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #69 - 10/07/09 at 07:18:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	I agree about luck. But I think people are getting excited not because of one tnmt. Rather, it is the next step on the long climb up the mountain. Carlsen isn't in view of the summit yet, but he seems to be climbing easily in the rarefied air.


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Schaakhamster God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 650 Joined: 05/13/08	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #68 - 10/07/09 at 04:27:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Antillian wrote on 10/06/09 at 19:36:47: Everyone is getting all excited But, I think we are getting ahead of ourselves here. This is just one tournament. It it way too early to make predictions. I do hope that MC goes on to become the next great thing becuase I think the chess world really does need another dominant world champion in the make of Kasparov. But at this point in time, we do not know yet. I agree. It will be interesting to see if he fullfills his potential. But there are still many obstacles in the way. Some luck is required: poor Keres never got a decent shot at the crown while Kramnik made the most of his when he got the chance. And also how does he deal with the strain of a WC-match?


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #67 - 10/07/09 at 00:10:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/4050-regulations-for-t...


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Uruk Senior Member Offline Posts: 351 Joined: 02/03/09	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #66 - 10/06/09 at 23:58:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	2011 really? So if Topalov wins the title he'll have to defend it the following year? I thought 2011 was rather the Candidates tournament (or matches, anyway).


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #65 - 10/06/09 at 23:30:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is supposed to be a WC match in 2011 (and 2010 of course); I don't know about after that. Carlsen will be at Kasparov's WC age in mid-2013.


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Uruk Senior Member Offline Posts: 351 Joined: 02/03/09	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #64 - 10/06/09 at 22:38:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	kylemeister wrote on 10/06/09 at 19:28:36: Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/06/09 at 19:07:29: He still has quite a way to go, and (almost) certainly will not challenge for Kasparov's title of youngest World Champion ever. But he does have a real shot at being one of a very few World Champions before the age of 25. You think Carlsen almost certainly won't become WC challenger within the next ~3.5 years? Hmmm. Well the cycle being now 2 years, 2010 is Anand-Topalov which brings us to 2012, when Magnus will be already 22 (Kasparov's record). Edit: I see that Magnus was born on November 30th, which means he will have one shot.


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Göran Senior Member Offline ChessPublishing is great! Posts: 454 Location: Sweden Joined: 02/13/08 Gender:	Re: Nanjing 2009 (Cat. 21) Reply #63 - 10/06/09 at 22:00:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	MilenPetrov wrote on 10/06/09 at 20:06:13: ... Do you think that Magnus would be able to chnage something and to put a new order in the chaos... Frankly speaking i doubt... Anyway I like Magnus's play and I am his full supporter With some more experience and with Kasparov as mentor I think he will become more demanding in a positive way.

	What kind of proof is that?
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