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Re: Openings for adult class players
Reply #3 - 09/29/09 at 04:47:32
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Sandman wrote on 09/28/09 at 16:18:38:
I thought it might be a good idea to move this to it's own thread so it is not overshadowed. I, and I would think many adult players fall into this category, could use some advice. Thanks everyone.

Sandman wrote on 09/23/09 at 12:11:20:
Markovich wrote on 09/23/09 at 11:27:26:
Phil Adams wrote on 09/22/09 at 20:15:16:
I now regret ever having mentioned Tony Miles, since it has sent the discussion off down what I believe is a false trail, into a bandying of names of other, clearly very talented, players. 

All of the names mentioned are of players who showed exceptional talent for chess at a very early age, and were identified and nurtured by their national federations.

In my previous post I argued that very talented juniors often DO make their own way, successfully, to master strength and beyond, without necessarily going through a "classic open games and gambits" stage.

What it would be more fruitful to consider I think is what sort of openings are most beneficial for the vast majority of juniors, those who are not going to become masters, but who we hope will reach a level sufficient for them to enjoy playing chess and to want to keep playing into adulthood, and fill our club teams and local tournaments!

It is my experience over many years as a club coach that having a good eye for tactics, a familiarity with basic endgames and an aggressive opening repertoire can take a club player a pretty long way, say to 2000-2100. I have seen this many times. Also these players tend to enjoy their chess and play fearlessly, since they learn early to take the knocks. And if the desire and the will to work is there, such players can also go beyond this level, since it is relatively easy to become positionally more sophisticated if one is already a good tactician - I do not believe that the reverse is the case.

I find the players who tend to stall at 1700-1800 are most often the ones who shied away at an early stage from the classic open games and gambits in search of the (deceptively) easier life of "solid openings". 

I can think of exceptions, of course, but my experience supports the above generalisations.


I am happy to learn of this, which entirely supports my point of view of how promising children should be taught this game.



I don’t mean to hijack this thread about juniors so perhaps this should be moved to a separate thread. However, these same questions can be asked about adult players. What about the adult players that are trying to improve to the 2000-2100 level? Should these adults follow the same guidelines as suggested for juniors? Adults have less time for study due to jobs, families and so forth, worse memories (generally), declining stamina, etc. Would you suggest other opening alternatives for improving adults who would be happy to reach expert level?



In my opinion, for an adult at class player level, the importance should be placed not on picking and choosing openings, but on making sure that you understand the openings you currently play and know all the basic traps and strategies. You may find my threads 'What White opening should you play?' and 'What Black opening should you play?' useful as they are aimed at providing answers to very general questions such as those above. 

Having said that, I would say that at class player level, it is better to have a narrow repertoire than a broad repertoire, as then you can specialise in the middlegames of your opening and become an expert at a small number of openings, instead of having a shallow understanding of a large number of openings. 

I would also recommend you steer clear of 'system' openings since these are usually theoretically harmless, and condition you to a certain type of position, making it more difficult to broaden or change your repertoire later. For example, it would be difficult for someone who has played only the London system as White for five years to suddenly start playing 1.e4 as they have become used to playing London-type positions and are uncomfortable when the position does not have similar characteristics to the London. Not that the London system is a bad opening (I play it myself on occasion), but it makes changing your repertoire much more difficult in the future, thus holding you back.
  

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Re: Openings for adult class players
Reply #2 - 09/29/09 at 00:21:27
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Phil Adams wrote on 09/28/09 at 23:43:49:


Like Markovich, I am often horrified at the number of apparently low rated players on this forum who seem to want to play truly sophisticated openings and spend hours poring over books such as Avrukh's. 




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Re: Openings for adult class players
Reply #1 - 09/28/09 at 23:43:49
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A very good question, to which I have no easy answers, since there tend to be a lot of variables.

Some factors to consider:

a) previous chess experience
b) general intelligence
c) level of education
d) strength of memory
e) willingness to study
f) available study time
g) availability of opportunities to put learning into practice 
h) ability to calculate accurately 2-3 moves ahead
i) arsenal of tactical motifs
j) degree of positional understanding and familiarity with position-types and associated plans
k) arsenal of basic endgame knowledge
l) any stylistic preference exhibited/expressed, often related to personality traits
m) current opening repertoire written out [then matched against a)-l) for congruence].

Most good coaches would not give any but the most general advice to an adult student without having first examined a fairly large and representative sample of his/her games. Then it's a question of trying to build on strengths and reduce weaknesses. 

More often than not, the openings are not the main blockage to progress, but they are often a symptom of other problems.

With many adult players, the best opening solution is a fairly low-maintenance repertoire based on clear, straightforward, easy-to understand ideas and plans, leaving plenty of the available study time for going over well annotated (verbally) games (starting with the classics), doing tactics exercises and studying/practising endings. 

Once established, a repertoire should be stuck to for at least a full season, and after that changed (or added to) only gradually, a piece at a time. (It is very common for weak players to blame the opening for a bad result and so keep chopping and changing openings, learning very little in the process. Experience in itself is of little value; it is essential to make a conscious and honest effort to learn from it and build on it.)

Like Markovich, I am often horrified at the number of apparently low rated players on this forum who seem to want to play truly sophisticated openings and spend hours poring over books such as Avrukh's. 

The learning process in chess, as with any subject, should surely be based as far as possible on a steady progression, from the simple to the complex.
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I thought it might be a good idea to move this to it's own thread so it is not overshadowed. I, and I would think many adult players fall into this category, could use some advice. Thanks everyone.

Sandman wrote on 09/23/09 at 12:11:20:
Markovich wrote on 09/23/09 at 11:27:26:
Phil Adams wrote on 09/22/09 at 20:15:16:
I now regret ever having mentioned Tony Miles, since it has sent the discussion off down what I believe is a false trail, into a bandying of names of other, clearly very talented, players. 

All of the names mentioned are of players who showed exceptional talent for chess at a very early age, and were identified and nurtured by their national federations.

In my previous post I argued that very talented juniors often DO make their own way, successfully, to master strength and beyond, without necessarily going through a "classic open games and gambits" stage.

What it would be more fruitful to consider I think is what sort of openings are most beneficial for the vast majority of juniors, those who are not going to become masters, but who we hope will reach a level sufficient for them to enjoy playing chess and to want to keep playing into adulthood, and fill our club teams and local tournaments!

It is my experience over many years as a club coach that having a good eye for tactics, a familiarity with basic endgames and an aggressive opening repertoire can take a club player a pretty long way, say to 2000-2100. I have seen this many times. Also these players tend to enjoy their chess and play fearlessly, since they learn early to take the knocks. And if the desire and the will to work is there, such players can also go beyond this level, since it is relatively easy to become positionally more sophisticated if one is already a good tactician - I do not believe that the reverse is the case.

I find the players who tend to stall at 1700-1800 are most often the ones who shied away at an early stage from the classic open games and gambits in search of the (deceptively) easier life of "solid openings". 

I can think of exceptions, of course, but my experience supports the above generalisations.


I am happy to learn of this, which entirely supports my point of view of how promising children should be taught this game.



I don’t mean to hijack this thread about juniors so perhaps this should be moved to a separate thread. However, these same questions can be asked about adult players. What about the adult players that are trying to improve to the 2000-2100 level? Should these adults follow the same guidelines as suggested for juniors? Adults have less time for study due to jobs, families and so forth, worse memories (generally), declining stamina, etc. Would you suggest other opening alternatives for improving adults who would be happy to reach expert level?

  

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