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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #27 - 01/01/10 at 11:21:02
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Dear theRomantic, 

first of all I agree with most postings  
that your opening knowledge is certainly not 
your only problem. 
Just one thing: You simply have no defence 
against 1.d4 that works for you. It is very important to 
find such a defence if you want to improve. 
I would say this is the most important thing you have to 
solve after improving your tactical abilities. It makes no 
sense to work on the endgame if you don't reach it.   

What do experts better than players around 1600 ? 

1) Experts make much less obvious tactical 
mistakes (counting errors, missing double attacks, 
one move blunders, ...) 

Therefore it is important to study a lot of 
EASY tactical exercises.  
There are many books devoted to this aspect. 
I like "Viktor Vamos: Chess tactics for beginners".  
Have a look at some threads on this forum for more books covering 
this aspect.   
It is essential to start with easy exercises !  
I would compare these exercises  with "finger training" 
if you play the piano. 
Your first aim should be to solve most exercises without 
using a board, then you should try to solve them quickly. 
Afterwards you could try to change the starting 
position as little as possible such that the solution 
does not work anymore.  

2) Experts play simple positions and endings 
much better. 
"Silman: Silman's Complete Endgane Course" is a good starting point.  
Silman starts his book with endgames every player up to 
1000 Elo must know. He continues with the endgames 
a 1200 Elo player has to know and so on. Of course you can 
always question the choice of the endgames to work through at 
a certain playing strength, 
but I think Silman's idea is very reasonable to spend a 
sensible amount of time studying the endgame. 
I strongly suggest to work through book from the very beginning. 
There is much advice for low rated players, which is
useful for everyone, especially in blitz or rapid games. 

3) Experts offer much tougher resistance if their 
position is inferior but not hopeless. In hopeless 
positions they find ways to make the win at least 
a bit complicated for their opponent. 

Playing slow time controls and playing OTB instead of 
ICC will force you to fight on with all your strength, 
if your position becomes worse. 
Playing two hours for forty moves You cannot play a second game 
on that day, if you have lost.  
This should increase your fighting spirit very much !  

Btw if a Tarrasch Defence has gone wrong you probably have 
to defend an inferior endgame without much counterplay, 
therefore aspects 2) and 3) are especially important if 
you decide to stick to the Tarrasch despite your very bad 
performance. 
Btw the same thing can happen easily if you misplay the White side of the 
French or the Caro-Kann, which are your Achilles heels with White. 

4) Experts recognize if their position changes from promising 
to inferior and fight for the draw. Vice versa if they get 
the better position after some tough defence having been worse 
they fight for the win merciless (Karpov !) instead of being 
happy to escape with a draw.  

A happy new year and play well! 
  
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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #26 - 12/31/09 at 21:43:47
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As usual I generally agree with Markovich. The exception is that I am somewhat more flexible concerning opening choices (the Tarrasch is not the only choice against 1.d4).

downward wrote on 12/31/09 at 15:38:53:
`For anyone intending to reach 2700 level, it is absolutely essential to be able to play the Ruy Lopez and Open Sicilian as White and Black.`

TN, are you sure about this? for instance Tomashevsky doesn`t play 1.e4 as white and Vitiugov (close to 2700) doesn`t play 1.-e5 as black.


Sure is a big word. I have often wondered why Euwe and Timman made it to the absolute top while Van Wely and Piket didn't, even though the latter two grew up chesswise in more favourable circumstances. It is striking that the first two played both 1.e4 and 1.d4 as White. Van Wely and Piket restricted themselves to 1.d4. Coincidence? Perhaps.
  

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Reply #25 - 12/31/09 at 17:51:34
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These people aren't 1500-rated because they don't play the main lines of the Spanish, for crying out loud.  They're 1500-rated because they don't know how to play this game.

But by playing the Spanish (= Open Game) they will learn this game - this opening covers a lot of structures and leaves plenty of play till the endgame. It's a mistake to start with "simple" chess openings, cause everybody knows that you keep them for the rest of your life because you know them and they are easy to play. The fact is a standstill somewhere. Dont go for a cheap and fast solution - whatever one does in life, this is certainly mostly the wrong way. You end up with mediocre abilities.

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Not to study theory! [i]Not!![/]

Correct - just play through the games to become educated and get a decent feeling for chess (and have fun with the classical games - dont miss Fischer or Kasparov crushing their opponents - what more can you learn and how much more motivation for your own chess could you get. The books I enjoy most for the last years are "The Great Predecessors" - simply fantastic - just leave the complicated sidelines where they are and enjoy the art of chess with Garry.

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So please, young and developing chess players: play into open positions as much as you can, emphasize tactics and active piece play, and don't study any more theory than you need to win your games.  And don't ever make the mistake of thinking that the opening you played (assuming that it was reasonably sound) was the reason you lost any given game of chess; or that switching openings by itself will do anything for your game.

Listen to the wise men... Smiley
  
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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #24 - 12/31/09 at 17:38:46
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msiipola wrote on 12/31/09 at 16:49:36:
Many do recommend Emms "Attacking with 1.e4" as good starting point. But I'm not sure. Some of his recommended openings look non-open to me, like Closed Sicilian, KIA against French and 2.c4 against Caro.

It is true that he avoids the Open Sicilian, but the French is going to be kind of closed no matter what you do as White, and 1.e4 c6 2.c4 generally transposes into a regular Panov-Botvinnik Caro-Kann (unless Black plays 2.e5), which is certainly open in the sense that many central pawns are cleared out and piece play is important.
  
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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #23 - 12/31/09 at 17:34:24
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Though I respect him and almost always value his contributions here, I disagree with almost everything TN has had to say above.  If you read his advice, you see that it is quite good for a 2100+ player; play the Spanish; play main lines, and so on, and so forth.  But consistently, he seems to misunderstand that he's not talking to a 2150 player, but a 1500 player.  Either that, or he very mistakenly assumes that the same advice is applicable to players in both classes.

He says, "For anyone intending to reach 2700 level, it is absolutely essential to be able to play the Ruy Lopez and Open Sicilian as White and Black."  I have to yield to his apparent expertise in what it takes to make 2700, but so far as I am aware, you have to make 2200 before you make 2700.

For reasons that I have repeated innumerable times -- but which seem always to require repeating if low-rated visitors here are not to be left with bad advice -- players sub-2000 primarily need to learn (1) tactics, (2) theoretical endings (the ones with definite solutions) and (3) how to play open positions.  Again for the umpteenth time, the reason open positions are important is quite analogous to the reason that endings are important: a game of chess tends to produce them.  They are fundamental.  The object of play in very many closed or semi-closed positions is, precisely, how and under what conditions to open the game (all those ...f6 breaks in the French?  all those ...c5 breaks in the Caro? they are aimed at opening the position on favorable terms).  So if you can't play open positions well, you can't play chess well, and that is the long and the short of it.  Just the same, if you can't play king and pawn endings, what is the point of picking up a book on openings theory?  

A much stronger and more respected player than I, the esteemed Jakob Aagaard, was debating this and saying that many GM's aren't very good at play in open positions and some aren't even very good at tactics.  He may be right, but I think he means, relative to other GM's.  I respectfully maintain my view that to become a GM, an IM, an FM or even a humble USCF NM like me, you have to be able to conduct play in positions like those that arise from the Goering, the Danish, and the Blackmar-Diemer, as well as open positions of a less unbalanced kind like those arising from the Panov-Botvinnik, White's side of the QGA and Black's side of the Tarrasch.  You just have to be able to play like this because the play of any given game tends in this direction.  

So with the greatest respect, I think it is so much claptrap to tell a 1500-rated player to take up the main lines of the Spanish, which produce a semi-closed maneuvering game, play on both sides of the board, and the like, that is often way too sophisticated for players in this class.  Indeed it is claptrap to suggest that opening theory is important at all.  The point is precisely: not to study any more chess opening theory than an improving player needs to win his games.  Not to study theory! Not!!  So advice to study the main lines is a monumental pile of a proverbial substance, and it gets my freaking goat when this wretched advice is dished out and the innocent people receiving it come back and say, "Oh, thank you so much, I'm off to buy a book about the Spanish!"

These people aren't 1500-rated because they don't play the main lines of the Spanish, for crying out loud.  They're 1500-rated because they don't know how to play this game.

So please, young and developing chess players: play into open positions as much as you can, emphasize tactics and active piece play, and don't study any more theory than you need to win your games.  And don't ever make the mistake of thinking that the opening you played (assuming that it was reasonably sound) was the reason you lost any given game of chess; or that switching openings by itself will do anything for your game.
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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #22 - 12/31/09 at 16:49:36
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I'm a Colle player with a rating <1500. With the Colle I often get cramped games and positions I don't understand against stronger players.

So instead of playing the Colle, I'm consider 1.e4. Maybe I will learn something?  Smiley

Many do recommend Emms "Attacking with 1.e4" as good starting point. But I'm not sure. Some of his recommended openings look non-open to me, like Closed Sicilian, KIA against French and 2.c4 against Caro.

Often I feel I have wasted too much time on this subject. After many hours of "opening study", what have I learned? Not much, I'm afraid.

And there are strong players who says the Colle is a good beginner opening! Maybe the Colle is not my "style".
  
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Reply #21 - 12/31/09 at 15:38:53
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`For anyone intending to reach 2700 level, it is absolutely essential to be able to play the Ruy Lopez and Open Sicilian as White and Black.`

TN, are you sure about this? for instance Tomashevsky doesn`t play 1.e4 as white and Vitiugov (close to 2700) doesn`t play 1.-e5 as black.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/31/09 at 13:33:13
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theRomantic wrote on 12/31/09 at 11:03:56:
Thanks for the feedback TN.  I appreciate the thoughts on a specific repertoire and how to improve.

I do think some of that is a little off topic, in that the question I really want opinions on in this thread is specifically, is it worth playing openings you hate, or are terrible at, in order to improve your chess in general?  Or should you play openings you like and intuitively understand?  Which is the more efficient way to improve? 

Play the openings you like and understand. Do not play openings you hate, as your results will be worse than in openings you enjoy playing. As I said in my previous post, you will play better in a slightly worse position you understand well than in a slightly better position which you do not understand.

I included a bit of my own situation as a reference, but to be honest I'm not so interested in advice specific to me, or on specific moves, but rather thoughts on this general question.

If you take 1000 random chess players (Group A) and instruct them to play the Open Games + Tarrasch + Repertoire X, and you take another 1000 random chess players (Group B) and tell them to play whatever they enjoy and understand, will Group A ultimately be superior players to Group B?  Or will they be the same?  Or will Group B actually turn out better than Group A?

99% of the time, Group B will turn out better than Group A, assuming that the mean strength of both groups is the same. It is worth noting that many players play openings they enjoy but don't understand, or understand but don't enjoy. Before choosing an opening repertoire, you should have a close look at your games, results and statistics to see which positions suit you, and which don't.

Are there specific openings which are far more valuable to learn than others? 

Depends on what level you are referring to. For anyone intending to reach 2700 level, it is absoutely essential to be able to play the Ruy Lopez and Open Sicilian as White and Black. But at lower echelons, the key is to avoid the trap of playing inferior openings. If you play a second-rate opening, e.g. 5.b6 instead of 5.ba6 in the Benko Gambit, that is fine, but don't play the dubious 4.a4?!, for example, as once the surprise effect wears off, you will not have a proper line against the Benko and your understanding would not be as strong as if you played a more mainstream opening. You could argue that you should play 4.a4 because you enjoy playing it, but it is better to find another variation that you enjoy, which is a reliable long-term choice. If you have a coach or book to explain the opening, then this shouldn't be too hard.

For example, I play the Open Games as Black, which I enjoy, and I think besides the experience in open positions, it also teaches Black how to maintain a stake in the center, how to play a wide variety of pawn structures, how to defend against gambits, and perhaps most importantly how to fight for the initiative.  I also think there's nothing better than the Open Sicilian for learning how to attack and defend simultaneously.  Do other openings provide similiar benefits?  Does it benefit a 1.e4/KID player to learn IQP positions, if they would never encounter them in their natural repertoire?  Do mainlines necessarily provide a superior benefit to various sidelines, and if so, why? 

Yes. Main lines are the main lines because they are the best moves, lead to the richest and broadest range of positions, and are played by the best players in the world, which means that the main lines will improve your understanding more than sidelines. To take one example, Julian Hodgson was held back greatly in his career because of his reliance on the Trompowsky, an interesting but objectively inferior opening. If you don't aim to become a GM, then there's no reason why you can't be successful with this opening, since it does lead to a wide range of positions.

It is important to learn how to play IQP positions, but this shouldn't occur at the expense of reaching positions you don't like. Studying the games of the old masters which reached IQP positions will be more than sufficient.


Honest questions.  The reason why I ask is that I drank the "mainline" koolaid all the way, with the idea of improving my chess as much as possible by experiencing a wide range of complex positions.  But after a few years, I'm not so confident any longer that this is the best approach, and I've since realized that I have no intention of permanently playing many of these openings.  For example, I certainly won't be playing the Tarrasch in five years, and probably Nc3 vs. the French. 

Obviously there is no 'one size fits all' solution for every player. But I would say that it is important to play main lines at least some of the time. If you don't play main lines at all, then you are not experiencing the game as a whole, and you will only understand the limited types of positions that arise from the sidelines in your repertoire.

I've already decided that 
the "surprise/homefield/caltrop" factor is much more important in practical terms than the objective merits of the opening, at my level certainly and probably at my goal level.  So with that in mind, unless I were to develop a repertoire in the 3.Nc3 French that I particularly enjoy, there's no way I would continue to play it because I feel it gives Black a big practical advantage against me.  But I keep playing to get experience in a wide variety of complex positions. 

That's a common pitfall amongst aspiring players - to play openings with a surprise element, such as SOS lines or innocuous system openings such as the Torre, London, Colle and KIA, to name a few. Persist with playing the main lines, but only the main lines that you enjoy playing. It seems that the main reason you don't like a lot of main line openings is because you don't understand them well enough. The best solution to this is to study the games of the old masters, which will help you to understand the main lines by observing how the main lines developed their current status. Say you wanted to pick up the QGD as Black. Begin by studying the games from the Capablanca-Alekhine match.

But is this the right idea?  Will I ever actually see this benefit, or am I just losing games left and right in these lines for nothing? 

If you both play mainstream openings and enjoy playing them, you will improve more than if you play dodgy or system openings. Obviously this is no guarantee of improvement since at your level the opening very rarely decides the game, but it certainly helps.

That's what I'm really interested in hearing opinions on.  Thanks in advance.


Conclusion: Don't play openings you dislike playing, but make sure the openings you play are relative main lines and not objectively inferior sidelines. Don't worry about the amount of theory since the game is rarely decided in the opening anyhow. If you know the key middlegame plans and themes and have good tactical vision you will play the opening satisfactorily over the board without a lot of opening knowledge.

Sorry if all this is a bit disorganised but I hope it answers your question. You should probably refer to Chapters 1-2 of Hansen's 'How Chess Games are Won and Lost', which explains the answer to this question more clearly than I could claim to. 
  

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Reply #19 - 12/31/09 at 13:05:41
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Are there specific openings which are far more valuable to learn than others?

There are 2 fundamental openings: 
1.d4 - Queens Gambit
1.e4 - Ruy Lopez
These two are the classical backbone of chess - and educated chess players should at least have some knowledge of them.
  
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Reply #18 - 12/31/09 at 11:03:56
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Thanks for the feedback TN.  I appreciate the thoughts on a specific repertoire and how to improve.

I do think some of that is a little off topic, in that the question I really want opinions on in this thread is specifically, is it worth playing openings you hate, or are terrible at, in order to improve your chess in general?  Or should you play openings you like and intuitively understand?  Which is the more efficient way to improve?

I included a bit of my own situation as a reference, but to be honest I'm not so interested in advice specific to me, or on specific moves, but rather thoughts on this general question.

If you take 1000 random chess players (Group A) and instruct them to play the Open Games + Tarrasch + Repertoire X, and you take another 1000 random chess players (Group B) and tell them to play whatever they enjoy and understand, will Group A ultimately be superior players to Group B?  Or will they be the same?  Or will Group B actually turn out better than Group A?

Are there specific openings which are far more valuable to learn than others?  For example, I play the Open Games as Black, which I enjoy, and I think besides the experience in open positions, it also teaches Black how to maintain a stake in the center, how to play a wide variety of pawn structures, how to defend against gambits, and perhaps most importantly how to fight for the initiative.  I also think there's nothing better than the Open Sicilian for learning how to attack and defend simultaneously.  Do other openings provide similiar benefits?  Does it benefit a 1.e4/KID player to learn IQP positions, if they would never encounter them in their natural repertoire?  Do mainlines necessarily provide a superior benefit to various sidelines, and if so, why?

Honest questions.  The reason why I ask is that I drank the "mainline" koolaid all the way, with the idea of improving my chess as much as possible by experiencing a wide range of complex positions.  But after a few years, I'm not so confident any longer that this is the best approach, and I've since realized that I have no intention of permanently playing many of these openings.  For example, I certainly won't be playing the Tarrasch in five years, and probably Nc3 vs. the French.  I've already decided that the "surprise/homefield/caltrop" factor is much more important in practical terms than the objective merits of the opening, at my level certainly and probably at my goal level.  So with that in mind, unless I were to develop a repertoire in the 3.Nc3 French that I particularly enjoy, there's no way I would continue to play it because I feel it gives Black a big practical advantage against me.  But I keep playing to get experience in a wide variety of complex positions.

But is this the right idea?  Will I ever actually see this benefit, or am I just losing games left and right in these lines for nothing?

That's what I'm really interested in hearing opinions on.  Thanks in advance.
  
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Reply #17 - 12/31/09 at 10:59:17
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theRomantic wrote on 12/30/09 at 06:35:35:
Is it worth playing openings you hate, or score very poorly with, in order to improve your chess?

I started out playing the Open Games and Tarrasch as Black with this in mind, and later expanded it to the Open Sicilian, Nc3 vs French/Caro, 4 Pawns vs Alekhine, and Austrian vs Modern/Pirc as White.  I've played this whole repertoire for about two years now, spending little time studying the openings.

I've been a bit frustrated with my performance lately and so I did some analysis.  It didn't take long to find the major problems:  I score 27% in the Tarrasch, and about 35% against the French and Caro.  I also score about 40% in the Sicilian Maroczy Bind as White.  Everything else is at least respectable.

I do have a mind to keep playing mainline French, as I think it's important to learn how to play pawn chains.  And I can appreciate the point of learning the Tarrasch.  But I'm starting to question how much benefit I'm really deriving from some of these repertoire choices.  If the focal point of my chess career was a tournament six months from now, I'd switch to the Grunfeld/KID and play 2.b3 vs the French, no question.  These just fit my personality better (I like to attack) and I think are much more practical.  I would strongly consider ditching the Maroczy Bind as well.

My goal is to get to 2000 ICC, I've been plateauing at 1500-1600 for a while now.


I'll let you in on a little secret. Internet blitz and bullet ratings are meaningless outside of the particular Internet chess server. Also, ICC ratings tend to oscillate dramatically (especially during a long session of blitz/bullet), and is not a reliable indicator of playing strength at tournaments. It is much more productive and satisfying to try to improve your OTB rating for standard time controls.

If you still want to set a goal to break the 2000 rating on ICC, then you only need to do three things:
a) Learn how to play very fast, especially being able to premove without blundering anything. It's no use being up material for nothing if you lose on time. 
b) Ignore all opening theory and become a deadly chess tactician. The vast majority of blitz games are decided by either tactics or time, and both are linked to each other.
c) You need a thick skin; don't get depressed or angry when you lose, and don't become cocky when you win.

As for your openings, if you want to improve your standard chess, play main line openings. It will make you a better player in the long run. I'll provide one example of a 1.e4 repertoire you could use:

Sicilian: Open Sicilian, English Attack setup vs. most variations. It's theoretical but if you know White's key plans and motifs, especially in attacking on the kingside, you'll score well in practice. Against the Kan, play 5.Nc3 and 6.Bd3, and 9.Bf6 gf6 10.Nd5 and the Nxb5 sacrifice against the Sveshnikov.

Open Games: Play the Scotch Game, and study some of Kasparov's games to get a good idea of White's key plans. 

French: Play 3.Nd2 and meet 3...c5 with 4.ed5 Qd5 5.Ngf3 cd4 6.Bc4 Qd6 7.Qe2 and 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.c3 c5 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.Ne2. Don't worry about Tzermiadianos's repertoire book, you won't need to know the theory in so much detail. 

Pirc/Modern: Play the Austrian Attack or Be3/Qd2/f3.

Alekhine: 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.f4. Not because it's best, but because it is the most aggressive.

Scandinavian: 2.ed5 Qd5 3.Nc3/d4/Nf3/Bc4 and 2...Nf6 3.Nf3 Nd5 4.d4 and Be2/0-0/c4. 

Other moves: If you start worrying about 1...Nc6, 1...b6 etc then your repertoire must be in good stead!

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So what do you think in general?  Does a student benefit from playing openings like the Maroczy Bind, mainline French as White as a relative beginner?  Is playing these openings the most effective way to gain the sophistication in order to play them well?  Or is it more efficient to play openings that one intuitively understands and slowly graduate up to more sophisticated openings.


The student benefits the most from playing the openings they like and are comfortable with. You will play much better in a slightly worse position you understand well than in a slightly better position where you have no idea of what to play. However, don't use this as an excuse for playing the BDG, Elephant Gambit, Sicilian Wing Gambit or other dodgy gambits.

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I'm 30.  I'd say my ICC rating is generally around 1600 and I feel like I'm giving up about 100 rating points playing the repertoire that I am.  I don't think that 2000 ICC is such an unrealistic goal over a period of a few years.


If you trained mostly on tactics for the next year, using Chess Tactics Server, CT-ART and other available products, you would break 2000 ICC sooner than you think. 

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Yeah I could definitely use some help understanding the Tarrasch.  I like to play gambits and I like to attack, and actually looking through my games I identified that as a bit of a weakness -- if there's a kingside attack I play very well, if there isn't I don't play well at all -- usually I just attack anyway and it fails.  In the Tarrasch I have a real hard time putting together an attack, it feels like my pieces are bogged down defending d5.  In particular I don't understand the point of "freeing" Bc8 if it just ends up acting as a pawn on e6.  I feel like I need some initiative on the kingside in order to justify the weakness on d5, otherwise I'm just stuck defending.


Play through Kasparov's games from the 1980s in this opening to get a feel for where the pieces belong and when Black should either attack or defend. Also, the bishop usually goes on g4 rather than e6, and remember to play ...Nc6 before ...Nf6 to prevent a powerful 6.Bg5!.
  

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Reply #15 - 12/31/09 at 04:52:42
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Not surprisingly I don't agree with most of what was said in this thread, I don't belong to the "must play open positions" club, given I was 2000 well before I ever added anything "open" to my repertoire as a primary point of emphasis.

The point of playing with an IQP isn't just for the sake of getting an IQP, that's non-sensical and will serve to stunt growth more than provide for it - it's about learning what a good IQP position is versus a bad IQP position. If you understand the resulting positions of a particular variation, then you're more likely to play it better. The goal of studying opening theory is not memorization of the lines (that's how people get lost positions very early on - suddenly the line isn't a memorized one anymore, and they don't know what to do), it's understanding of the positions. So whatever you pick as your opening of study, the goal should be to understand why theory developed that way, and what to look for, and what to avoid. Gradually as your knowledge of opening theory expands, so should your understanding of various positions, which will typically be what brings about growth - of course studying complete games accelerates the process, too. If the thread-starter does badly with any opening then the problem is one of understanding.

That Exchange French IQP mentioned above is easy to play as black. It features none of the features black usually has to be extremely careful to solve (the locked-in light squared bishop that typically takes a couple of precious tempi to develop, or lagging development).

In comparison black lags in development in the Caro-Kann version (ie: the ...g6 Panov-Botvinnik, and Houska's variations, including "the endgame" variation), resulting in him often electing to lock in his light squared bishop with ...e6.
  

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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #14 - 12/31/09 at 03:54:54
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theRomantic wrote on 12/30/09 at 23:15:08:
Thanks for the replies everyone.

So what do you think in general?  Does a student benefit from playing openings like the Maroczy Bind, mainline French as White as a relative beginner?


No (Maroczy), yes (French) if you have the time to spend.
Concerning the IQP I generally agree with Markovich and Ostap, but I prefer to have it if my opponent has played ...e6 (e3) with the Queen's Bishop shut in on c8 (c1). Positions like that demand play quite similar to gambit play. Your own Queen's Bishop should not go to e3 (e6) defending the IQP but preferably to g5 (g4).
If you like to attack you might consider the Dutch, either the Iljin-Zjenevsky or the Leningrad.
  

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Re: Openings as tool for learning?
Reply #13 - 12/31/09 at 00:45:35
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I'm around your same rating and have actually had good luck with the Tarrasch.  There are people who whip out the g3 refutation line but they rarely seem to know what to do after that.  I also play the Panov against the Caro-Kann and the 4 c4 line against the French.  Just ram that d pawn forward when given the chance and make use of your active pieces to wreak mayhem.  I win plenty and lose plenty but the games are interesting and fun.  If you haven't read Abby Marshall's column on the Tarrasch on chesscafe that will probably help you...I think it should be in the archives under October.
  
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