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Question: Who will win Wijk aan Zee?


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Carlsen 22 (44.9%) Anand 4 (8.2%) Kramnik 9 (18.4%) Ivanchuk 4 (8.2%) Leko 1 (2.0%) Shirov 1 (2.0%) Karjakin 2 (4.1%) Dominguez 0 (0.0%) Nakamura 5 (10.2%) Other 1 (2.0%) Total votes: 49 « Last Modified by: OstapBender on: 01/19/10 at 20:02:31 »

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2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll (Read 63256 times)

Göran Senior Member Offline ChessPublishing is great! Posts: 454 Location: Sweden Joined: 02/13/08 Gender:	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #116 - 01/24/10 at 23:09:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 01/24/10 at 21:38:26: ...I found his comment about the Dutch more interesting though. He said that the *Dutch should not equalise*! That's pretty strong words coming from perhaps the preeminent opening theoretician in the world! I trust he just wanted to put Nakamnura at ease and helped him by blaming the great defence of Dutch .

	What kind of proof is that?
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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #115 - 01/24/10 at 22:10:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 01/24/10 at 21:38:26: Btw, Kramnik, after his game against Nakamura, stated that he "was probably lucky yesterday". He also said that Nakamura has a good chance to become world champion... if "we" all gave up! He then said he was joking and that Nakamura has improved greatly over the last year and will probably break the top ten. I found his comment about the Dutch more interesting though. He said that the *Dutch should not equalise! That's pretty strong words coming from perhaps the preeminent opening theoretician in the world! This reminds me of a comment Aronian made in a game he annotated, when discussing Kramnik's novelty in the Meran. Aronian's comment from Aronian-Grischuk, Sochi 2008 Quote:* Given that the greatest theoretician of our galaxy, Kramnik, recently played 13. Nd2 here the text must be considered old-fashioned Pretty remarkable for a player of Kramnik's stature to make such a comment about an entire opening (the Dutch).

	2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE. FIDE based on just 27 games.
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #114 - 01/24/10 at 21:40:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	BPaulsen wrote on 01/24/10 at 18:56:43: ... Kramnik has very steadily climbed to within striking distance of first place. However, he has a difficult stretch of opponents coming up. Of the people up near the top of the leaderboard it might be Nakamura with the easiest remaining schedule. Good tournament, good chess, and here's to hoping my vote for Kramnik ends up right. Of the top three, Shirov, Carlsen and Kramnik, Carlsen has the easiest row to hoe and Shirov has the toughest. But yeah, Nakamura should be licking his lips as he gets a heavy dose of Dutch treats!


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #113 - 01/24/10 at 21:38:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	Btw, Kramnik, after his game against Nakamura, stated that he "was probably lucky yesterday". He also said that Nakamura has a good chance to become world champion... if "we" all gave up! He then said he was joking and that Nakamura has improved greatly over the last year and will probably break the top ten. I found his comment about the Dutch more interesting though. He said that the *Dutch should not equalise*! That's pretty strong words coming from perhaps the preeminent opening theoretician in the world!


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #112 - 01/24/10 at 18:56:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Akobian with his 3rd Tarrasch Defense in the tournament in Group B. He's not scoring well with it, but maybe this'll get him a book contract. Nakamura wielding the Dutch again - the kid's got moxy to keep wielding the Dutch against world champions present and past. Kramnik has very steadily climbed to within striking distance of first place. However, he has a difficult stretch of opponents coming up. Of the people up near the top of the leaderboard it might be Nakamura with the easiest remaining schedule. Good tournament, good chess, and here's to hoping my vote for Kramnik ends up right.

	2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE. FIDE based on just 27 games.
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #111 - 01/24/10 at 18:16:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	Let me backtrack a bit. I do believe there's luck in chess. I used to hate that thought, but I've more or less made my peace with it. The main criteria for whether Kramnik was lucky against Short isn't whether the computers found wins, but whether, given similar circumstances, Kramnik would be likely to draw against Short again. I can't prove this, but I got the feeling during the game that Short just was not going to win against Kramnik. Kramnik had a beautiful, seemingly easy win against Nakamura today while Short lost an entertaining game.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #110 - 01/24/10 at 16:05:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	And of course there is the well known saying "the good player is always lucky". I don't think it takes anything away from Kramnik's skills to say he was lucky. Obviously, there is no such thing as luck in chess. But it is understood what one means when one uses the terms.

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #109 - 01/24/10 at 14:51:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is a Dutch expression for this: "Geluk afdwingen." I am not sure how to translate it, something like "To extort luck." Indeed it demands excellent skills to do that.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #108 - 01/24/10 at 14:27:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	What would the new poll ask? Btw, I'm not sure about Kramnik's "luck". He is one of the toughest outs in chess. His endgame technique is fantastic, and Short did a great job to torment him. But endgame technique doesn't happen by chance. Yeah, Short had great winning chances, but was it really "luck" that saved Kramnik, or superior technical skill?


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DD-OK YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 37 Joined: 03/15/07	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #107 - 01/24/10 at 06:47:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Say smyslovfan, now that the tourney is half over, how bout a new poll?


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #106 - 01/24/10 at 01:42:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yep, Kramnik is probably lucky to have got away with the half point in that one.

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #105 - 01/23/10 at 17:24:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	4 draws in Group A today, but... Carlsen beat Ivanchuk! Nakamura beat Shirov! And Short is pressing hard in his game against Kramnik... ...I don't understand Short's 47.a6, which seem to be giving up the a-pawn for no reason. update: It looks like Kramnik will hold the draw, but I think Short must have missed a win here.

	"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates." -Jay Leno
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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #104 - 01/23/10 at 10:15:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well at least there's some consolation for the home team in Giri. He is repeating his performance of the dutch ch, though I find him here even more impressive in the way he makes something ou of lousy positions.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #103 - 01/23/10 at 06:53:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	So far, Nakamura is walking the walk. I'm rooting for him too.

	"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates." -Jay Leno
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DD-OK YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 37 Joined: 03/15/07	Re: 2010 Wijk aan Zee, Group A Poll Reply #102 - 01/23/10 at 05:04:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Here's hoping Nakamura-Shirov is a classic slugfest. Ok, so I find myself rooting for Nakamura again.


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