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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #20 - 01/28/10 at 11:19:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	linksspringer wrote on 01/27/10 at 17:37:04: ghenghisclown wrote on 01/27/10 at 17:29:16: Too bad it was a Steinitz. Hmm, on another site someone was complaining Carlsen didn't play the Winawer... Let's just enjoy an instructive game by the World #1 in the French. Yeah but everybody knows the real CHOICE comes after Bg5.

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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #19 - 01/27/10 at 22:26:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Annotation of Karjakin-Carlsen by Dennis Monokroussos here: http://www.thechessmind.net/storage/chess-posts/waz2010_rd10.htm (third game in the list)


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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #18 - 01/27/10 at 19:08:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Karjakin-Carlsen annotated at the ChessPro web site. It's in Russian, but using Google's translate feature you can get this crude, but serviceable, translation.

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #17 - 01/27/10 at 18:48:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: Against Karjakin, Carlsen went for the French. A surprising choice since according to the database the Norwegian played this defence only once before, when he was 11 and rated 2214! quoted from Chessvibes coverage of Round 10 Quote: I think Carlsen's opening choice was dictated by the tournament's situation, he wants to play for a win, and thought that 1...e5 or 1...c5 were today unsuitable as Karjakin plays these moves himself. was Christian Bauer's commentary at Chessdom. I'm with you on this one Keano; I hope we'll see more of the French from Carlsen.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #16 - 01/27/10 at 17:39:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Carlsen wins with the French! Lets hope that this was not just a "once-off" experiment.


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #15 - 01/27/10 at 17:37:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	ghenghisclown wrote on 01/27/10 at 17:29:16: Too bad it was a Steinitz. Hmm, on another site someone was complaining Carlsen didn't play the Winawer... Let's just enjoy an instructive game by the World #1 in the French.


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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #14 - 01/27/10 at 17:29:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Too bad it was a Steinitz. It would have been ineteresting to see what Carlsen would have chosen after 4.Bg5...Classical, Burn, or Mac.

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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #13 - 01/27/10 at 12:37:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Carlsen playing the French vs. Karjakin!! 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 Be7 8. Qd2 O-O 9. Be2 a6 10. O-O b5 11. Kh1 Qc7 12. a3 Bb7 13. Rad1 Rac8 14. Qe1 cxd4 15. Nxd4 Nxd4 16. Bxd4 Bc5 17. Qh4 Bxd4 18. Rxd4 f6 19. Bd3 h6 20. exf6 Rxf6 21. f5 Rcf8 22. Rg1 Nc5 23. fxe6 Nxe6 24. Rg4 Nf4 25. Qg3 Qe7 26. Rxf4 Rxf4 27. Ne2 Rf1 28. Nd4 Rxg1+ 29. Kxg1 Re8 30. h4 Qe1+ 31. Kh2 Qxg3+ 32. Kxg3 Kf7 33. Kf2 Kf6 34. g3 Bc8 35. c3 Bg4 36. Bc2 g5 37. hxg5+ hxg5 38. Bb3 Ke5 39. Bc2 Rf8+ 40. Kg2 Bd7 41. Nf3+ Kf6 42. Bb3 g4 43. Nd4 Ke5 44. Bc2 a5 45. Bd1 Ke4 0-1
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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10780 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #12 - 01/24/10 at 13:46:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, but my instinct tells me that White's attack is winning. The main reason is that lame knight on a4. So it threatens to take pawn b2. Big deal if White is going to deliver mate. In such cases I always apply the golden rule of attacking chess: if there is at least one more piece in the attack than in the defence (the defending King has to be included, as we know since Steinitz) the attack is likely to break through. Games like these made me give up 3...Nf6. White castles short, Black equalizes and initiates counterplay on the queenside, White pushes his f-pawn and Black gets mated. It happened twice to me and that was enough.

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #11 - 01/23/10 at 21:49:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	I didn't like 23...Bc5 because of 24.Kh1 Kh8 25.Bg5 but I honestly didn't take a careful look at this and 25.Ng4 is an interesting alternative I hadn't even considered (I guess because I'd already superficially concluded that 25.Bg5 was good enough). Thanks for the suggestion, MnB. I'll take a closer look at the 23...Bc5 line, especially your 25.Ng4 idea. A tactically rich position after 21.f5, isn't it though? If I studied more games like this maybe I wouldn't be so tentative about pushing my own kingside pawns forward.

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10780 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #10 - 01/23/10 at 21:25:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Probably with 23.Nxf5 Bc5 24.Kh1 Kh8 (Bxf2 25.Qg4+) 25.Ng4 (25.Bg5 wins back the piece already, but not with advantage as far as I can see at this moment) Qg6 26.Nf6 evt. 27.h4. Black does not have too many pieces in the defence. In Ostap's line I would prefer the immediate 25.Ng4 when Re8 seems best. Then 26.Nf6+ leads to R vs. 2Kts positions again. Also to be investigated is 26.Qf3 while 26.Ng7 looks like a draw at best. Or not? 26.Ng7 Rf8 27.Nh5 and 26.Ng7 Re7 27.e6.

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #9 - 01/23/10 at 21:24:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	dom wrote on 01/23/10 at 18:46:29: How White continues after the fearless 22..gxf5 ? Good question. I've looked at this a bit and after 22...gxf5 23.Nxf5 Bd8 24.Bh6 White wins back an exchange because 24...Re8 loses to 25.e6 (e.g., 25...Qxe6 26.Qg4+). After 24...Qg6 25.Bxf8 Kxf8 26.Ng4, material is about equal (R+P vs. 2B) and White still seems to have good attacking prospects. I'd give White a pretty big edge here, though I'm not sure whether it's better than what he got after what Robson chose in the game. Shame about Robson losing though after his amazing 5.5/6 start, but at least he stays in first since Li Chao also lost his game.

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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #8 - 01/23/10 at 18:46:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	@Ostapbender: yes, very enjoying attacking game...poor Robson (maybe he missed to exchange some pieces near the 19th move). I like a lot the bishops coming back on the first rank and the typical blockade on d4 square before the attack starts. How White continues after the fearless 22..gxf5 ?

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The French took another hit in Vocaturo-Robson, played today in group C:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.Qd2 0–0 9.Be2 a6 10.0–0 b5 11.a3 Bb7 12.Nd1 cxd4 13.Nxd4 Rc8 14.Nf2 Qc7 15.c3 Na5 16.Bd3 Nc4 17.Qe2 Nc5 18.Rae1 g6 19.Bc1 Qb6 20.Bb1 Na4 and the fireworks begin after 21.f5

21...exf5 22.Bxf5 Rce8 23.e6 Nc5 24.Qg4 Nd6 25.Bh6 Nxf5 26.Nxf5 Nxe6 27.Nxe7+ Rxe7 28.Bxf8 Kxf8 29.Qh4 h5 30.Qf6 Ke8 31.Kh1 d4 32.Nd3 dxc3 33.Qxc3 Qd4 34.Rxe6 Bxg2+ 35.Kxg2 Qd5+ 36.Rf3 Qg5+ 37.Kf1 Rxe6 38.Qc8+ Qd8 39.Qxd8+ Kxd8 40.Rxf7 1–0

Vocaturo is an exciting player. His best known game may be Vocaturo-Hillarp Persson, Reykjavik Open 2009 which was another victory against the French (that time a Winawer).

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dom God Member Offline Posts: 908 Location: Toulouse Joined: 01/11/03 Gender:	Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus Reply #6 - 01/23/10 at 15:36:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	Game Howell-Ni Hua,Wijk aan Zee 2010 round 5 group B, transposes to position in game Bronstein-Petrosian,Leningrad 1960 which is tempo less for Black if compared to position after French move order (instead of CaroKan) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Ne2 Romero Holmes-Korchnoi,Pampelune 1990

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