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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #35 - 01/31/10 at 03:57:08
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Keano wrote on 01/31/10 at 01:37:11:
dom - I´d be more worried as white by something like : 8.Qd2 0-0 9.0-0-0 (9.dxc5 is another story but over-all I still think castling kingside is a better idea for White) 9...c4! intending ...b5 and the White king is not a happy camper.


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dom - I´d be more worried as white by something like : 8.Qd2 0-0 9.0-0-0 (9.dxc5 is another story but over-all I still think castling kingside is a better idea for White) 9...c4! intending ...b5 and the White king is not a happy camper.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #33 - 01/30/10 at 11:07:18
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F22 wrote on 01/30/10 at 01:45:31:
OstapBender wrote on 01/28/10 at 20:23:35:
Karjakin achieved NOTHING in the opening and soon found himself under tremendous pressure in the middlegame.  I don't believe he was doing well at ANY point in the game.


Did not he have the White pieces? Wink

But on a serious note I think anyone playing the French got a kick out of game!


I don't think plan for White is good when he plays Qd2 and Be2. I think better to play for White:

7...Be7!? 8.Qd2 a6 (8...oo 9.ooo my twin game: Laurain G,Nogueiras, COQ 2003 ; 8...cxd4 9.Nxd4 oo 10.ooo Bb4 11.Nb3 is Nijboer plan...played by Anand after 11...a6 12.Bd3 b5 13.Rhf1) 9.ooo! b5 10.dxc5 Nxc5 11.Qf2    

Advantage of not playing Be2 is this move which relocates queen to e1-h4 diagonal and also ability to play Ne2, for example: 9...c4 10.f5 fxe6 11.fxe6 Ne2 

After Be2, White is driven to play Nd1 at one step, and Qd2 is not for long castle but for plan Nd1-Nf2:

8.Be2 oo 9.Qd2 a6 (Timofeev-Wang Hao,Taiyuan 2006) 10.oo  (10.ooo b5!) b5 (10...f6 is fine too) 11.Nd1 (11.a3 Bb7 Vocaturo-Robson,Wijk aan Zee 2010 )

  

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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #32 - 01/30/10 at 10:04:08
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linksspringer wrote on 01/29/10 at 23:57:16:
Striking pictures, especially the one of Nils Grandelius!
One French today, A.Muzychuk - Howell, but 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.Qe2+ Qe7 7.Qxe7 (draw, 53) doesn't tell us much. Does Muzychuk still have a chance for a GM norm?


Muzychuk-L'Ami, Wijk aan Zee 2010 Round 11
Maybe 6...Be7 and Black playing for a win as in Kupchik-Capablanca,NewYork 1915  would be more entertaining ... (my POV)
  

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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #31 - 01/30/10 at 01:45:31
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OstapBender wrote on 01/28/10 at 20:23:35:
Karjakin achieved NOTHING in the opening and soon found himself under tremendous pressure in the middlegame.  I don't believe he was doing well at ANY point in the game.


Did not he have the White pieces? Wink

But on a serious note I think anyone playing the French got a kick out of game!
  
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Reply #30 - 01/29/10 at 23:57:16
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Striking pictures, especially the one of Nils Grandelius!
One French today, A.Muzychuk - Howell L'Ami, but 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.Qe2+ Qe7 7.Qxe7 (draw, 53) doesn't tell us much. Does Muzychuk still have a chance for a GM norm?
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #29 - 01/29/10 at 12:04:22
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Wow  Smiley ...I opened this thread only to deal about French games ... but I can't resist. You must look wonderful pictures taken by Frits Agterdenbos and published on chessbase website.  http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6089 ; http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6095 ;
....or directly to ChessVista website: http://www.chessvista.com/ccms.100.ChessVista.home.html
  

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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #28 - 01/28/10 at 22:29:57
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Stigma wrote on 01/28/10 at 17:37:10:
Looks like you're right and the queens were still on. But White can't really avoid the exchange of queens (26.Qxg6+ Kxg6 27.Nf4+; 26.Rf4 Qg5; 26.Nf4 Qxf7 27.Nxg6 Qxg6 28.Qxg6+) without being in serious danger in the middlegame.

So it's a question of semantics whether the endgame is "resulting" or not.



Sometimes, it's not a question of semantics, but of bad writing.  The quote describes the position on the board, not some future when the queens are off.
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #27 - 01/28/10 at 22:27:34
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Dennis Monokroussos and the chesspro annotator seem to agree that by move 18/19, Black was already quite comfortable. 19...h6 was awarded an exclam by the Chesspro annotator while Monokroussos stated that "Black is a little better already". 

The subsequent exchange sacrifice had been in the air for several moves.  What was better for White? 

4.Bg5? Tongue

I certainly liked Black's position after 21.f5. While White could improve on the game, I wonder if we'll see 11.Kh1 again?
  
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Reply #26 - 01/28/10 at 20:23:35
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linksspringer wrote on 01/28/10 at 15:59:23:
Very strange comment on the Corus website today:
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Carlsen, who faced Russia’s Sergei Karjakin in a French game, got lucky, too. The Russian did well in the opening and had the upper hand until a rash exchange sacrifice around the 30th changed the situation drastically.

Shocked

I absolutely agree.  The quote from the Corus site completely misses the mark.  Karjakin achieved NOTHING in the opening and soon found himself under tremendous pressure in the middlegame.  I don't believe he was doing well at ANY point in the game.  Karjakin's "rash" exchange sacrifice simply brought a quicker finish to a game that was already going badly for him.
  

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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #25 - 01/28/10 at 17:37:10
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Looks like you're right and the queens were still on. But White can't really avoid the exchange of queens (26.Qxg6+ Kxg6 27.Nf4+; 26.Rf4 Qg5; 26.Nf4 Qxf7 27.Nxg6 Qxg6 28.Qxg6+) without being in serious danger in the middlegame.

So it's a question of semantics whether the endgame is "resulting" or not.
  

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Reply #24 - 01/28/10 at 17:11:18
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I'd call that an endgame also! My mistake I had thought the game was agreed drawn with Queens still on, but that was probably when the corus site went down yesterday. (Chessbase.com also has the incorrect game score) Still the comment on Karjakin-Carlsen is pretty outrageous, and from reading between the lines it seems what he basically does is finds people to ask about the games, so who knows what happened there, everyone else might have gone home and he had to ask the cleaner.
  
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Reply #23 - 01/28/10 at 17:06:42
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The comment on Karjakin-Carlsen is wrong, but the one on Kramnik-Ivanchuk looks accurate to me, except maybe the attack wasn't all that promising.

Some people call all positions with the queens off an endgame, so RBBn vs RRn+2 could certainly qualify. It's a matter of definition, not of understanding.
  

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Reply #22 - 01/28/10 at 16:40:21
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Whover did that write-up is coming from another planet - look what they said about Kramnik-Ivanchuk:
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Kramnik surprised Vassili Ivanchuk in an unusual variation of the Queen’s Gambit sacrificing a piece at his 19th for a promising attack. But ‘Chuky’, who played black, found a way out and even held a slight edge in the resulting endgame


resulting endgame  Shocked   Best just to ignore the whole write-up looks like. GM Bauer felt Karjakin mis-handled the opening and that the exchange-sac was desperation trying to salvage something. This makes a lot more sense than the corus write-up. It may not be a chess player at all doing those reports.
  
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Reply #21 - 01/28/10 at 15:59:23
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Very strange comment on the Corus website today:
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Carlsen, who faced Russia’s Sergei Karjakin in a French game, got lucky, too. The Russian did well in the opening and had the upper hand until a rash exchange sacrifice around the 30th changed the situation drastically.

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Reply #20 - 01/28/10 at 11:19:26
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linksspringer wrote on 01/27/10 at 17:37:04:
ghenghisclown wrote on 01/27/10 at 17:29:16:
Too bad it was a Steinitz.

Hmm, on another site someone was complaining Carlsen didn't play the Winawer... Let's just enjoy an instructive game by the World #1 in the FrenchWink


Yeah but everybody knows the real CHOICE comes after Bg5.
  

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Reply #19 - 01/27/10 at 22:26:33
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Annotation of Karjakin-Carlsen by Dennis Monokroussos here:
http://www.thechessmind.net/storage/chess-posts/waz2010_rd10.htm
(third game in the list)
  
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Reply #18 - 01/27/10 at 19:08:18
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Karjakin-Carlsen annotated at the ChessPro web site.  It's in Russian, but using Google's translate feature you can get this crude, but serviceable, translation.
  

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Reply #17 - 01/27/10 at 18:48:13
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Against Karjakin, Carlsen went for the French. A surprising choice since according to the database the Norwegian played this defence only once before, when he was 11 and rated 2214!

quoted from Chessvibes coverage of Round 10

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I think Carlsen's opening choice was dictated by the tournament's situation, he wants to play for a win, and thought that 1...e5 or 1...c5 were today unsuitable as Karjakin plays these moves himself.

was Christian Bauer's commentary at Chessdom.

I'm with you on this one Keano; I hope we'll see more of the French from Carlsen.
  

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Reply #16 - 01/27/10 at 17:39:18
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Carlsen wins with the French! Lets hope that this was not just a "once-off" experiment.
  
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ghenghisclown wrote on 01/27/10 at 17:29:16:
Too bad it was a Steinitz.

Hmm, on another site someone was complaining Carlsen didn't play the Winawer... Let's just enjoy an instructive game by the World #1 in the FrenchWink
  
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Reply #14 - 01/27/10 at 17:29:16
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Too bad it was a Steinitz. It would have been ineteresting to see what Carlsen would have chosen after 4.Bg5...Classical, Burn, or Mac.
  

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Reply #13 - 01/27/10 at 12:37:18
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Carlsen playing the French vs. Karjakin!!
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 Be7 8. Qd2 O-O 9. Be2 a6 10. O-O b5 11. Kh1 Qc7 12. a3 Bb7 13. Rad1 Rac8 14. Qe1 cxd4 15. Nxd4 Nxd4 16. Bxd4 Bc5 17. Qh4 Bxd4 18. Rxd4 f6 19. Bd3 h6 20. exf6 Rxf6 21. f5 Rcf8 22. Rg1 Nc5 23. fxe6 Nxe6 24. Rg4 Nf4 25. Qg3 Qe7 26. Rxf4 Rxf4 27. Ne2 Rf1 28. Nd4 Rxg1+ 29. Kxg1 Re8 30. h4 Qe1+ 31. Kh2 Qxg3+ 32. Kxg3 Kf7 33. Kf2 Kf6 34. g3 Bc8 35. c3 Bg4 36. Bc2 g5 37. hxg5+ hxg5 38. Bb3 Ke5 39. Bc2 Rf8+ 40. Kg2 Bd7 41. Nf3+ Kf6 42. Bb3 g4 43. Nd4 Ke5 44. Bc2 a5 45. Bd1 Ke4 0-1
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Reply #12 - 01/24/10 at 13:46:03
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Yes, but my instinct tells me that White's attack is winning. The main reason is that lame knight on a4. So it threatens to take pawn b2. Big deal if White is going to deliver mate. In such cases I always apply the golden rule of attacking chess: if there is at least one more piece in the attack than in the defence (the defending King has to be included, as we know since Steinitz) the attack is likely to break through.
Games like these made me give up 3...Nf6. White castles short, Black equalizes and initiates counterplay on the queenside, White pushes his f-pawn and Black gets mated. It happened twice to me and that was enough.
  

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Reply #11 - 01/23/10 at 21:49:02
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I didn't like 23...Bc5 because of 24.Kh1 Kh8 25.Bg5 but I honestly didn't take a careful look at this and 25.Ng4 is an interesting alternative I hadn't even considered (I guess because I'd already superficially concluded that 25.Bg5 was good enough).  Thanks for the suggestion, MnB.  I'll take a closer look at the 23...Bc5 line, especially your 25.Ng4 idea.

A tactically rich position after 21.f5, isn't it though?  If I studied more games like this maybe I wouldn't be so tentative about pushing my own kingside pawns forward.  Grin
  

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Reply #10 - 01/23/10 at 21:25:55
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Probably with 23.Nxf5 Bc5 24.Kh1 Kh8 (Bxf2 25.Qg4+) 25.Ng4 (25.Bg5 wins back the piece already, but not with advantage as far as I can see at this moment) Qg6 26.Nf6 evt. 27.h4. Black does not have too many pieces in the defence.

In Ostap's line I would prefer the immediate 25.Ng4 when Re8 seems best. Then 26.Nf6+ leads to R vs. 2Kts positions again. Also to be investigated is 26.Qf3 while 26.Ng7 looks like a draw at best. Or not? 26.Ng7 Rf8 27.Nh5 and 26.Ng7 Re7 27.e6.
  

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Reply #9 - 01/23/10 at 21:24:52
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dom wrote on 01/23/10 at 18:46:29:
How White continues after the fearless 22..gxf5 ?

Good question.  I've looked at this a bit and after 22...gxf5 23.Nxf5 Bd8 24.Bh6 White wins back an exchange because 24...Re8 loses to 25.e6 (e.g., 25...Qxe6 26.Qg4+).  After 24...Qg6 25.Bxf8 Kxf8 26.Ng4, material is about equal (R+P vs. 2B) and White still seems to have good attacking prospects.  I'd give White a pretty big edge here, though I'm not sure whether it's better than what he got after what Robson chose in the game.

Shame about Robson losing though after his amazing 5.5/6 start, but at least he stays in first since Li Chao also lost his game.
  

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Reply #8 - 01/23/10 at 18:46:29
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@Ostapbender: yes, very enjoying attacking game...poor Robson (maybe he missed to exchange some pieces near the 19th move). I like a lot the bishops coming back  on the first rank and the typical blockade on d4 square before the attack starts. How White continues after the fearless 22..gxf5 ?
  

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Reply #7 - 01/23/10 at 18:27:14
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The French took another hit in Vocaturo-Robson, played today in group C:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.Qd2 0–0 9.Be2 a6 10.0–0 b5 11.a3 Bb7 12.Nd1 cxd4 13.Nxd4 Rc8 14.Nf2 Qc7 15.c3 Na5 16.Bd3 Nc4 17.Qe2 Nc5 18.Rae1 g6 19.Bc1 Qb6 20.Bb1 Na4 and the fireworks begin after 21.f5 

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Vocaturo is an exciting player.  His best known game may be Vocaturo-Hillarp Persson, Reykjavik Open 2009 which was another victory against the French (that time a Winawer).
  

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Reply #6 - 01/23/10 at 15:36:32
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Game Howell-Ni Hua,Wijk aan Zee 2010 round 5 group B, transposes to position in game Bronstein-Petrosian,Leningrad 1960 which is tempo less for Black if compared to position after French move order (instead of CaroKan) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Ne2 Romero Holmes-Korchnoi,Pampelune 1990
  

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Reply #5 - 01/20/10 at 18:26:17
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@SF: yes, interesting game Harikrishna-Naiditsch,Wijk aan Zee 2010 with a KIA and a typical (?) sacrifice of piece on h6 after Black weakens his kingside with h6. No more data for me, after 12.Bg5. 
Seems Black played his counterplay plan on the queenside (opening lines, exchanging one knights pair with the "long" plan Ne8-Nc7-Nb5-Nd4) but White attack on the other side was quicker.
  

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Reply #4 - 01/20/10 at 17:40:46
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thanks linkspsringer for game  Smiley I had nothing about 8...c5 (only data about 8...Nxc3)...but 8...c5 9.Qg4 g6 10.Bd3 transposition to Be3-McCutcheon thread with here 10..h5!?  Cool and worth for analysis: 9.Bd3 Nxc3!?  10.Qg4 g5 (10...g6 11.dxc5!? +=)
  

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Reply #3 - 01/20/10 at 17:27:26
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In round 3 there was Sutovsky - L'Ami with a MacCutcheon.
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. a3 Bxc3+ 8. bxc3 c5 9. Bd3 Qa5 10. Ne2 cxd4 11. Bxd4 Nc6 12. O-O Nxd4 13. cxd4 Nc3 14. Nxc3 Qxc3 15. Qg4 O-O 16. a4 Bd7 17. Rae1 f5 18. exf6 Rxf6 19. Re3 Qc7 20. c3 Bxa4 21. Rxe6 Bd7 22. Re7 Bxg4 23. Rxc7 Rf7 24. Rc5 1/2-1/2
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #2 - 01/20/10 at 01:35:55
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There was a French King's Indian Attack by transposition today.  Unfortunately, White won in the game Harikrishna-Naiditsch Cry

Naiditsch played d5, e6, c5 b5 as discussed elsewhere, but Harikrishna successfully attacked the king to win in the middlegame.  Perhaps Naiditsch could have defended?
  
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Re: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
Reply #1 - 01/19/10 at 00:11:35
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On a day when Black won almost every decisive game in the A and B tournaments, white's only win comes in the only French.  Ni Hua (2657) beat Emil Sutovsky (2657) out of the opening.   

A sad day for French enthusiasts. Cry
  
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C00-C19: French at Wijk aan Zee Corus
01/17/10 at 12:12:31
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I open this new thread for French games at current Wijk aan Zee tournament...

There is another one in ChitChat sections but it seems more about great chess players taking part to tournament.

PGN files for round 1 are on chessbase website http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6064 ;

No game in French in round 1 for group A but here is one for group B :

[Event "Corus B"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"]
[Date "2010.01.16"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Ni Hua"]
[Black "L'Ami,E"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2657"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[EventDate "2010.01.16"]
[ECO "C07"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 

sorry for other thread and offbeat moves...this one is main c5 line  Smiley

4. Ngf3 cxd4 

players like Korchnoi and Brynell play here a6 sometimes, but I don't know really why. Is it a transposition to 3...a6!? (Kiriakov) 4.Ngf3 c5 ? I don't know

5. exd5 Qxd5 6. Bc4 Qd6 

Black can try other moves too: 6...Qc5 (with the idea to keep eyes on d4 pawn and c4 bishop, attaking bishop has advantage White must loose tempo to play Qe2 or move bishop c4 in order to take d4 pawn back. For example: 7.oo Nf6 8.Qe2 Nc6 9.Nb3 Qh5!? (Dom) 10.Rd1 Bd7 11.Nbxd4   +/=) ; 6...Qd8 (see M.Gurevich's games) ; 6...Qd7 Wolff-Gulko,Durango 1992 where Black will play Qc7 later

7. O-O

7.Qe2!? is intresting but I think Black has good plans: 7...Nc6 8.Nb3 (8.oo Nf6 M Brzeski vs V Malakhatko, 2005 ) Be7! Howell-Levitt,Staunton Memorial 2005


7...Nf6 8. Bb3

I don't believe it is best plan for White to control e5 (with a Nc4 to folllow) at the price of a pawn: 8.Nb3 Nc6 9.Nbxd4 Nxd4 10.Nxd4 Be7 (10..Qc7 11.Qe2 +=) 11.b3 (more ambitious than 11.Nb5!? Tal vs Petrosian, 1976  11...Qb8!?) is better for search of initiative in middlegame

8...Nc6 9. Nc4 Qd8 10. Qe2 

better than 10.Nce5 Bc5 11.Qe2 oo 12.Bg5 Qb6 Gwain C Jones-Al Modiahki,Gibraltar 2007

10...Bc5 11. Rd1 O-O 12. c3 Bd7 13. cxd4 Be7 14.Nce5 Nd5 15. Qe4 Nxe5 16. dxe5 Bc6 17. Qg4 
Kh8 18. Bg5 Bxg5 19. Nxg5 h6 20.Ne4 Qe7 21. Nd6 f6 22. Nc4 f5 23. Qg3 g5 24. Rd4 Nf4 25. Rxf4 gxf4 26. Qxf4 Kh7 27. Nd6 Rg8 28. f3 Rg6 29. Kf2 Rag8 30. g3 Qg5 31. Qxg5 hxg5 32. Ke3 Kg7 33. Rd1 Rf8 34. Rd4 Rh6 35. f4 gxf4+ 36. Kxf4 Rg6 37. Bd1 Rg8 38. Nxb7 Bxb7 39. Rd7+ Kh6 40. Rxb7 R6g7 41. Rxg7 Kxg7 42. g4 fxg4 43. Bxg4 Kf7 44. h4 Rd8 45. h5 Rd4+ 46. Kf3 Rd2 47. Kg3 Rxb2 48. h6 Rb4 49. h7 Rb8 50. Kf4 Rh8 51. Bh5+ Kg7 52. Bg4 Kf7 53. Bh5+ Kf8 54. Bg6 Kg7 55. Bc2 Rf8+ 56. Ke3 Rc8 57. Bd3 Rc1 58. Kd4 Rd1 59. Kc3 Rc1+ 60. Kd4 Rc7 61. Bc4 Rc6 62. Bd3 Kh8 63. Bb5 Rc8 64. Bc4 Rc6 65. Bd3
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