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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #230 - 12/23/11 at 21:26:59
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Is the Exchange line with the queen exchange and the isolated doubled f-pawns considered more trustworthy than the Main Line Exchange now? I have read the chapter on the Exchange, but it seems difficult to win the endgame as Black.
  

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Reply #229 - 12/23/11 at 17:57:48
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To say the least i don't think that Cox's coverage of the main lines after Bg5 is 100% bulletproof. One the other hand he got it right in the exchange variation and that is a very good point of the book. His Catalan coverage has some problems (in the sidelines), but in the absolute main lines his work is very good.
  
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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #228 - 12/23/11 at 16:07:48
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1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 O-O 7.e3 b6 8.Be2 Bb7 9.Bxf6 Bxf6 10.cxd5 exd5 11.b4 c6 12.O-O a5 13.b5 c5 14.Ne5 cxd4 15.exd4 Bxe5 16.dxe5 d4 

TalJechin wrote on 07/17/11 at 21:57:35:
Yowsa, I thought the Tartakower defence was supposed to be quite solid. But if 14...cxd4 and 15...Bxe5 really is Black's best way to play, then I'd definitely stay away from this as Black. Is there really no time for natural development like 14...Re8 or 14...Qd6 15.f4 Nd7 ?


My idea too. That Knight stays way too long on b8 to my taste after 14...cxd4 and 15...Bxe5.
There is also 14...Qe7 and 14...Qc7 to be considered; only the latter is mentioned by Cox.
  

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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #227 - 12/23/11 at 15:47:03
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Last week I received DtGB amongst a few others. I like the book, it's a neat companion to Sadler's QGD and doesn't make it superfluous. Combining the two gives a very good impression of the state of affairs, though in both cases I am slightly less impressed by the treatment of the Exchange Variation.

What do people think of this line?
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e3 h6 6.Bh4 O-O 7.Nf3 Ne4 8.Bxe7 Qxe7 9.Rc1 Nxc3 10.Rxc3 c6 11.Bd3 dxc4 (Nd7 might not fully equalize after 12.cxd5) 12.Bxc4 Nd7 13.O-O e5 14.Bb3 exd4 (Cox cites Hebden, 14...Re8 15.Re1 leading to an endgame edge; there is 14...Rd8 too) 15.exd4 Rd8 16.Re1 Qd6 and the question is of course if White can convert the lead in development in something concrete. What about 17.h3 Nf8 (the standard plan; Black might play differently) 18.Ne5 Be6 19.Bxe6 Nxe6 (Qxe6?? 20.Nxc6) 20.Nxf7!? Kxf7 21.Qb3 Re8 22.Rf3+ Kg8 23.Rfe3 Qxd4 24.Rxe6 Rxe6 25.Rxe6 Kh8 26.Qxb7 ?
Black will win the pawn back, but I'm not sure if that guarantees equality.

  

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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #226 - 11/05/11 at 11:59:45
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fling wrote on 09/09/11 at 18:02:03:
huibui wrote on 08/07/11 at 19:44:43:
I got the book yesterday, and it so far I like it very much. I have one question concerning a move order on page 152:

After 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd exd 5.Bg5, the move 5...Bf5 is called a "cheeky move order" to reach the endgame line (the idea ist that after 6.Qb3 Black plays ...Nc6, after which White's advantage is not clear). The repertoire move is 5...c6, however the idea seems to be a very nice practical weapon.

However, what is Black supposed to do after 6.Bxf6? After 6...Qxf6 7.Nxd5 Black doesn't seem to have much for his pawn, while 6...gxf6 7.e3 looks much better for White.

So, is there some kind of trick for Black, or should he just play the normal 5...c6? Huh


I don't know, but Sadler only states that 5 ...Bf5 loses a pawn. I don't think Black will have compensation, but somebody else might know?


Anyone???
  
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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #225 - 09/09/11 at 18:02:03
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huibui wrote on 08/07/11 at 19:44:43:
I got the book yesterday, and it so far I like it very much. I have one question concerning a move order on page 152:

After 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd exd 5.Bg5, the move 5...Bf5 is called a "cheeky move order" to reach the endgame line (the idea ist that after 6.Qb3 Black plays ...Nc6, after which White's advantage is not clear). The repertoire move is 5...c6, however the idea seems to be a very nice practical weapon.

However, what is Black supposed to do after 6.Bxf6? After 6...Qxf6 7.Nxd5 Black doesn't seem to have much for his pawn, while 6...gxf6 7.e3 looks much better for White.

So, is there some kind of trick for Black, or should he just play the normal 5...c6? Huh


I don't know, but Sadler only states that 5 ...Bf5 loses a pawn. I don't think Black will have compensation, but somebody else might know?
  
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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #224 - 09/09/11 at 17:32:26
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So what are the latest thoughts on the 5.Bf4 lines covered in this book (which I'm strongly considering buying)?  Does Black get as much winning chances there as he does in the Tartakower?  5-10 years ago I thought Black's defensive task against 5.Bf4 was fairly thankless; not too difficult to reach equality, but very difficult to get winning chances.  How have things changed?
  
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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #223 - 08/07/11 at 19:44:43
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I got the book yesterday, and it so far I like it very much. I have one question concerning a move order on page 152:

After 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd exd 5.Bg5, the move 5...Bf5 is called a "cheeky move order" to reach the endgame line (the idea ist that after 6.Qb3 Black plays ...Nc6, after which White's advantage is not clear). The repertoire move is 5...c6, however the idea seems to be a very nice practical weapon.

However, what is Black supposed to do after 6.Bxf6? After 6...Qxf6 7.Nxd5 Black doesn't seem to have much for his pawn, while 6...gxf6 7.e3 looks much better for White.

So, is there some kind of trick for Black, or should he just play the normal 5...c6? Huh
  

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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #222 - 07/25/11 at 16:28:19
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Harvey Williamson wrote on 07/17/11 at 19:30:30:
I bought this book yesterday and tried the repetoire against the latest Hiarcs opening book. The 1st line I tried looks like a bust

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "45"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 O-O 7. e3 b6 8. Be2
Bb7 9. Bxf6 Bxf6 10. cxd5 exd5 11. b4 c6 12. O-O a5 13. b5 c5 14. Ne5 cxd4 15.
exd4 Bxe5 16. dxe5 d4 17. Na4 Qg5 18. Bg4 Qxe5 19. Nxb6 Ra7 20. Rc1 Qxb5 21.
Qxd4 Nc6 22. Qe3 Qe5 23. Bf3! *

23. Bf3 is not considered by Cox but it looks winning for White. 1-0 to the latest Hiarcs book Smiley



Ah, we have covered this line in the forum ages ago - I came to the conclusion this business is best avoided by 12...Re8 which is a perfectly sound line - ...a5 is coming next and the Ne5 business is avoided. I think Karpov-Short is the classic game here as far as I remember, anyway it is all dead sound so there is no need to play into this tricky line as Black, its the kind of stuff he should be avoiding. 
  
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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #221 - 07/19/11 at 01:02:35
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Agreed, F22. For me, if the evaluation of the variation is "correct", but there are some "mathematical errors such as 21...Nc6 in the above discussion (on move 21, an IM made a mistake!), I am willing to all but ignore the error. 

This may not have been Cox' only error. It was the error that was pointed out as being egregious.  I don't find the error to be egregious at all, especially given that the variation had been played to an agreed draw on move 20.

If Cox' main lines are busted, that's a different matter. And by "busted", I mean the evaluation of the critical variation is just plain wrong and can't be fixed with a bit of cellotape and silicon magic.

  
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Reply #220 - 07/18/11 at 23:07:42
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TN wrote on 07/18/11 at 21:48:03:
Can you give me the name of a chess book that does not have any errors?  Roll Eyes


Well that is a silly, by that logic all chess books are the same. Every book has some errors the debate is about the extent and number of errors. And whether those errors compromise the integrity of the book.
  
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Can you give me the name of a chess book that does not have any errors?  Roll Eyes
  

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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #218 - 07/18/11 at 21:15:11
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Blue Flaneur wrote on 07/18/11 at 19:58:28:
I am guessing you're a patzer from your flawed logic. let me guess, your rating is below 2300.

Only people with ratings above 2300 are capable of correct logic? Or is this just irrelevant sneering?

Alas moderator Markovich is ill. Still I think this just should stop.
  

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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #217 - 07/18/11 at 19:58:28
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I have read cox's previous works and I liked them. SO1d4 was a great book.

I would like to see his interpretations of some of the lines and I admire the fact that he has chosen to provide a line for Black against the catalan. At $20 or whatever I am still going to get a lot for my dollar.

plus, as someone who is now beginning to play the QGD I think it's required reading for now.

having said that, your logic is flawed. how do you know my motivations? why can't I be some rich bastard who buys every book on the market to find as many mistakes as I can to feed my kinky chess fetish?

I think it's not illogical for a Christian or Jew to read the Koran even if he isn't going to agree with what's in the book. I'll buy the cox book and enjoy it regardless. Thank you very much.

I am guessing you're a patzer from your flawed logic. let me guess, your rating is below 2300.
  
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Re: Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox
Reply #216 - 07/18/11 at 19:22:55
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Blue Flaneur wrote on 07/18/11 at 17:02:53:
... totally unacceptable. I'll still buy the book to look at it myself but it's clear that I'll be buying a book filled with errors.


So, if I understand you correctly: it's a book that covers a line you think you won't like, and it's a book that you think will be strewn with errors ... and you're going to buy it anyway.

What do you do for fun when you're not playing chess?  Do you have people line up to kick you in the nuts?
  

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