kylemeister wrote on 03/22/10 at 17:59:15:
I would certainly think that the textbook 6...Be6 7. Nxe6 fe 8. de Nxe5 9. Qh5+ etc. is clearly better for White, i.e. a refutation.
8...Nxe5 is "ancient theory", given as slight advantage for White in Bilguer/Handbuch des Schachspiels 1916. So you are a bit behind...
ChevyBanginStyle wrote on 03/25/10 at 12:07:40:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 03/24/10 at 23:27:34:
Master Om claims a -/+ for 6.Nxf7?, because 8...Ncb4 is -/+, and that is certainly true, but not new. In the line 9.Qe4 his new move seems to be 14...Nf6! -+, when old theory was 14...Be7 15.f4 Nf6 16.Bxe6+ Nxe6 17.Qd3 Rf8 -/+, John Watson.
In the main line 9.a3 Nxc2+ 10.Kd1 my analysis in Kaissiber 12 (1999) claimed an advantage for Black after 10...Nxa1! 11.Nxd5 c6! (a move mentioned by Master Om as !?) 12.Nc7+ Kd6 13.Nxa8 Qh4!, improving upon old analysis by Palau (1949). Black has an advantage, though I said "perhaps White can hold the ending with precise play". My analysis ended with 22...Bxh8 -/+. I am not sure whether Master Om's 11...Qh4 is better than 11...c6, maybe it is. But the observation that 6.Nxf7? is -/+ isn't new.
6.d4 Be6!, recommended by De Zeeuw, is much more interesting. In Kaissiber 29 (2007) Maurits Wind studies it on 4 pp., and although he finds an advantage for White this line still deserves attention.
Ah, I admit I am not too familiar with developments in these lines, since I don't play them with either side. I was previously under the impression that 6.d4! was almost a refutation while 6.Nxf7!? (now really "?" I suppose!) led to very unclear play with good chances for White.
If I were White, I would definitely play for a stable advantage with 6.d4 rather than seek complications through 6.Nxf7. After 6.d4 Be6, the continuation 7.Nxe6 fxe6 8.dxe5 from kylemeister looks simply better for White. He seems to have a solid positional advantage without a lot of risk. If this is the case, the question of the Fried Liver seems a bit academic (although interesting in its own right).
"A solid positional advantage without a risk" may be true for 8...Nxe5?, less so for De Zeeuw's 8...Bc5, a sharp gambit which is highly dangerous in otb play. Unfortunately, Maurits Wind found a good reply for White, which is +/-.
But there are two better moves: my 8...Qh4!? and Maurits Wind's 8...Bb4+ 9. c3 Bc5. The latter refutes the claim so popular in this thread (but not based on any reliable sources), that 7.Nxe6 gives White an advantage.
Ah, so 7.dxe5 must be more accurate.