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Re: C44: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #33 - 08/12/11 at 16:02:50
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MNb wrote on 08/12/11 at 15:49:16:
TN wrote on 08/12/11 at 13:08:05:
You still need an answer to Black's alternatives to 1...e5.  Wink

Not to forget 2...Nf6.


The book has a chapter on 'Miscellaneous 2nd move defences' (though the Petroff or Phillidor are completely respectable openings). Since they are all covered in one short chapter, it's unlikely that the coverage is sufficient for a decent player.
  

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Re: C44: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #32 - 08/12/11 at 15:49:16
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TN wrote on 08/12/11 at 13:08:05:
You still need an answer to Black's alternatives to 1...e5.  Wink

Not to forget 2...Nf6.
  

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Re: C44: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #31 - 08/12/11 at 13:08:05
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Sisyphus wrote on 08/12/11 at 11:06:12:
I bought the book and it looks great to me. As a lifetime 1.d4 player it convinces me to try 1.e4 as a change!


You still need an answer to Black's alternatives to 1...e5.  Wink
  

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Reply #30 - 08/12/11 at 11:06:12
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I bought the book and it looks great to me. As a lifetime 1.d4 player it convinces me to try 1.e4 as a change!
  
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #29 - 10/28/10 at 21:03:00
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SWJediknight wrote on 09/22/10 at 15:03:38:
Tim Harding has a look at the Ponziani book in these two articles:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz171.pdf


One point on this:
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 c3 d5 4 Bb5 dxe4 5 Nxe5 Qg5 6 Qa4 Qxg2 7 Bxc6+ bxc6 8 Qxc6+ Kd8 

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b) Robert Taylor is a bit annoyed that the authors do not state that 9 Kd1! is an improvement here. His game against GM Mark Hebden at Aintree 1998 continued 9…Qxh1+ 10 Kc2 Nh6! 11 Qxa8 Bd6 12 Nc6+ Kd7 and now White lost quickly following 13 Nxa7??, whereas he should have played 13 Nd4, which Hebden had been expecting.

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Robert Taylor concludes that "9 Kd1 is not losing due to the improvement 13 Nd4… My conclusion is that the variation is good for black, but not winning for Black"


I don't know about that. 13 Nd4 Re8 14 Na3 Qf1 15 Qc6+ Kd8 16 Qb5 Qxb5 17 Naxb5 Bxh2 18 d3 exd3+ 19 Kxd3 Ng4, as in W.Ottenweller-G.Aalderink, email 2005, looks pretty terrible for White really.
  

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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #28 - 10/24/10 at 09:43:06
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The book is a product of several years of research and
original thinking. It is loaded with new ideas. Even the very
best chess masters have a hard time against this opening
per my experience. The book gives the best lines for
Black and White and is written without prejudice. 
If you want a sound opening that will very often catch
your opponent off guard this is a book to consider.
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #27 - 09/22/10 at 15:03:38
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Tim Harding has a look at the Ponziani book in these two articles:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz171.pdf
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz172.pdf

It does focus more on the theory than on the book, but suggests that the book may not be as bad as Carsten Hansen made out.  He agrees that 3...d5 should be met by 4.Qa4, and suggests that 4...f6 and 4...Qd6 lead to roughly equal chances, but it's unclear whether he thinks 4...Bd7 (recommended by John Emms in "Play the Open Games as Black") equalises or not with accurate play.

One criticism I have of his second article is that he "sells" 3...Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.e5 Nd5 too strongly.  I agree that it's a good way for Black to avoid the knife-edge complications of 3...d5 4.Qa4 while keeping some winning chances in a roughly balanced position, and is also conveniently one of the best defences to the Goring Gambit, but I think the choice between 3...Nf6 and 3...d5 remains a matter of taste, as Black can definitely equalise with at least two options following 3...d5 4.Qa4.  I'll be interested to see if anyone tries to defend Black's cause in the dull queenless middlegame line, where Harding suggests that White may actually have the edge.
  
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #26 - 08/21/10 at 03:32:33
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I was wondering how does the analysis in "Play the Ponziani" compare to the analysis of the Ponziani in Larry Kaufman's book "The Chess Advantage in Black and White" where he says "in view of the analysis I present here I think it (the Ponziani) should be consigned to the scrap heap of history".
  
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #25 - 05/14/10 at 04:29:37
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Yes, the old book was on the 1. e4  d5  2. exd5  Qxd5
3. Nc3   Qa5  4. Nf3  Bf5.  By the way 4, ...Bf5 is a mistake
and best us 4. ...c6.  Emms wrote a great book 
the scandinavian.  Emms has also contributed to Ponziani theory.
  
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #24 - 05/10/10 at 18:19:40
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Dave, as little consolation as this may be, reading a comment by Hansen about your book would not turn me away from reading it, despite his comments.  Each chess player's comments are subjective (imo it is not as important to lean on each critical variation in a memorized fashion, but rather to learn the ideas behind the opening).  I think it would be worth learning the Ponziani, despite what they tell me I should learn.  I don't like facing a standard Najdorf, or Ruy Lopez, because often my opponent is armed to the teeth with book lines - I like to get away early, and the Ponziani looks fair enough for that.  Plus, I imagine there is room for transpositions to other openings, provided Black allows such a thing to occur.
  
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #23 - 05/10/10 at 15:53:13
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TN wrote on 05/10/10 at 12:44:34:
Sorry to go off-topic, but what variation of the Scandinavian did you play? The trendy ...Qd6 lines, the ...Qa5 old main lines or the slightly dodgy 2...Nf6 complex?


3...Qa5 4 d4 Nf6 5 Nf3 Bf5
this was back in 1987

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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #22 - 05/10/10 at 12:44:34
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Sorry to go off-topic, but what variation of the Scandinavian did you play? The trendy ...Qd6 lines, the ...Qa5 old main lines or the slightly dodgy 2...Nf6 complex?

I won't purchase the Ponziani book, but that's because I'm not interested in the opening as White and my antidote as Black is good enough for an opening I'll only face twice in my career. 

I recall that Tiviakov and Dearing had a similar 'argument' with Tiviakov claiming the book was bad, and Dearing replied with some reasonable arguments. In the end Tiviakov won the battle (got the better of Dearing in the argument), but lost the war (was fired as a book reviewer due to several complaints by readers and his dubious reputation as a reviewer at the time). 

Out of interest, what other reviews of the book are available?
  

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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #21 - 05/10/10 at 07:48:07
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This was several years ago that I tried to contact Mr. Hansen and his forum and got no response. His analysis was clearly very wrong. 
On another subject Keith Hayward and I are "freethinkers". We think outside the box. We tend to chose openings that
have not been played millions of times. To give one example
in the 7th USCorrespondence Chess Championship I tried to
win with the black pieces. If you will note I am the only
USCCC champ that has ever done that. Most are happy with
about 1/2 draws and 1/2 wins. Another interesting point about not following the tried and true lines--your opponents
are ready for them. There are enough tricks in the Ponziani
to Roll Eyes throw off the highest rated players. In the 7th USCCC I
played the Center Counter--1. e4  d5  2. exd5  Qxd5 in four
of my games as Black--I won all 4 games. If anyone can find
an opening or a special line vs an opening that is "sound"
but hardly ever played---that person has an advantage from
the start.
  
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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #20 - 05/09/10 at 23:27:03
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Well, I appreciate that you defend your book here; that only can give us potential customers additional information. Moreover I tend to believe you, as Hansen's description of the book hardly matches my impression of your co-writer Keith Hayward. If he ever is going to write a book on the Classical Dutch I am certainly will buy it.
Still you don't address my last remark. These days anyone can react on any column at Chess Cafe via the Contact Option at the end of the page. But I am not sure if this option already was available when your book was reviewed.
  

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Re: Play the Ponziani book
Reply #19 - 05/09/10 at 21:59:17
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Carsten Hansen is extremely prejudiced. He reviewed my
Ponziani Power book and came up with extremely incorrect
analysis of the variations he chose. On one line he chastized
me for omitting a certain line--but it was omitted as it
loses in 2 moves. On another line [out of 3 lines, I think] he
was just wrong in his analysis. I wrote to Mr. Hansen 3 times and also wrote to the chess organization he represented 3 times asking if I could give a correction--no
response. Now, maybe he is getting "revenge" because I
proved him wrong before [though nobody saw it]. How could
a nearly 300 page book have inadequte analysis? How can
he criticize one line where we gave a ?! but he does not mention the ?!. Chapter 8 of our book makes all previous
Ponziani books obsolete. There is one heck of original analysis in this book. We gave good and bad lines for both
White and Black so a reader who wants to start out can
concentrate on those. Best Regards, Dave Taylor Smiley
  
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