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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #7 - 04/09/10 at 11:39:31
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I have been told that Vigorito's forthcoming King's Indian book will cover more than one line of the Exchange variation for Black.
  
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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #6 - 04/08/10 at 15:24:47
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BirdBrain wrote on 04/08/10 at 11:54:46:

I am going to give a quote off of www.chess.com about this variation...

"7.dxe5 dxe5, 8.Qxd8 Rxd8, leads to Exchange Variation, in which White (after Queens are exchanged) will try to make the most of his slight advantage during the middle game. Some players select it to reach a draw. " 
ref. http://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-openings-kings-indian-defense


That's not the only curious statement in that article.  For example, in the Averbakh, [6]...h6 is not generally "followed with ...g5"; for one thing, White standardly replies 7. Be3 (that's basically the point of having Be2 in, so that there's no ...Ng4 there).  In the Saemisch, 6. Be3 Nc6 does not require the further moves 7. Nge2 a6 8. Qd2 Rb8 (which are often played, but there are various alternatives) to be the Panno.  In the Classical after 7...Na6, no mention is made of the quite major moves 8. Be3 and 8. Re1 (8. de, which is mentioned, is considered extra-harmless there).  These are just a few things from a quick look.

I suggest you would be well-served by a good basic book on the openings.  Paul van der Sterren's "Fundamental Chess Openings" seems a good recent possibility.
  
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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #5 - 04/08/10 at 11:54:46
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TonyRo wrote on 04/07/10 at 20:48:17:
Who did you hear that from? I've been under the impression that this ending is completely toothless for White, and due to the weaknesses of d4 as compared to d5 (since Black hasn't commited to ...c5, but ...c6 instead), practically Black has scored better, or at least I remember Gallagher (I know, it's Gallagher) saying something to that tune.


I am going to give a quote off of www.chess.com about this variation...

"7.dxe5 dxe5, 8.Qxd8 Rxd8, leads to Exchange Variation, in which White (after Queens are exchanged) will try to make the most of his slight advantage during the middle game. Some players select it to reach a draw. " 
ref. http://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-openings-kings-indian-defense

The reason I asked about this 1. d4 approach is I normally play the Dutch, but I have also been playing the KID recently to get a different taste in my mouth.  I have enjoyed playing it, but I was curious about the consensus on this site.
Antillian wrote on 04/07/10 at 21:40:53:
The version with 6. h3 e5 7. dxe5 is well covered by Grivas' Beating the Fianchetto Defences and has a little bit of extra bite. 


I would like to try this from the White side.  I play a little 1. d4, and against the KID, I think the h3 variation catches my eye the most...thanks for the suggestion!
  
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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #4 - 04/07/10 at 21:40:53
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The version with 6. h3 e5 7. dxe5 is well covered by Grivas' Beating the Fianchetto Defences and has a little bit of extra bite.
  

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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #3 - 04/07/10 at 21:39:26
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I have quite some experience on this as I never really wanted to study "real" openings and have quite a good endgame tecnique (for my level of course). Objectively black is absolutely fine and really could even have some slightly better prospects as d4 is weakend for ever. 
However I think this is one of those openings were the real evaluation isn't that important for the following reasons:
-the guy playing white may as well play this stuff every time he can while as black you may have to confront with it at most once or twice a year: white has more "thoeretical" knowledge (ok, there isn't really much theory but white probably knows the existing better) and has a better idea of what to do and how to try to squeeze the position for he has more experience;
-when you play the KID as black you simply want to give a a piece or two near the white king, let white's d-pawn reach d7, loose all your queenside pawn and possibly the rook to give an amazing mate (I may have exaggerated but...). Therefore when black discovers he's going to fight in a queenless middlegame there's a good chance he'll go to the toilet and cry (ok... again to much... but I must say I have seen many players disappointed or angry after mere 8 moves): it's just not what black expected.
-black may be biased from books such as "Refuting 1.d4 with the KID" or similar and think that if white plays this variation he wants to achieve a draw and go home to see a football match: NOT TRUE! I played it to win for one. Therefore the attidute "anything goes, I'll just play a few moves, offer draw and go to the pub" is quite common. Often my opponents "confessed" that they assumed the game to be over after 8 moves without realising that they lost 0.02 pawns for 25 moves in a row Smiley

So in conclusion in my view black is ok as long has he knows a little (very little!) theory, has a decent understading of the positions arising and actually plays the game instead of making automatic moves in a depressed mode thinking it will be a quick draw.
  
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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #2 - 04/07/10 at 21:09:27
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Edmar Mednis recommended it in some of his writings for those liking strategic/endgamish play, but certainly the general theoretical view is that it should lead to equality.
  
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Re: King's Indian Exchange
Reply #1 - 04/07/10 at 20:48:17
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Who did you hear that from? I've been under the impression that this ending is completely toothless for White, and due to the weaknesses of d4 as compared to d5 (since Black hasn't commited to ...c5, but ...c6 instead), practically Black has scored better, or at least I remember Gallagher (I know, it's Gallagher) saying something to that tune.
  
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King's Indian Exchange
04/07/10 at 20:42:08
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I didn't see much on here, or really a whole lot on the internet, about the KID Exchange.  I had never seen it before, but recently came across it.   

What are the opinions on this site regarding both sides after dxe dxe QxQ RxQ?  I hear that the endgame is supposed to be good for White, but it seems to me Black should be just fine.
  
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