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Reply #17 - 04/13/10 at 13:47:20
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what you lose : 
- the need for proofs and refutations
- the need to be right over someone else
- the need to establish yourself as a chess player
- the attitude of being right "because you understand better " (well, fritz,rybka & stockfish helped you lose that one already)

what you win:
- a better respect for your opponents, moving from chess potatoes to chess friends ;
- a dispassionated view to chess, not as a competition but as a "best effort" game. 
- a stressless approach to your chess games, perhaps the best achievement of all.
  
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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #16 - 04/13/10 at 12:55:59
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Well many people like logic, and the logical thinking we do in chess is quite similar to that which we do in mathematics.  In either case the conclusions are often not obvious, and reached by subtle means.  So for me at least, the degree of satisfaction that I receive from the one is similar to that from the other.

I don't think that it is pointless to sharpen the mind with difficult logical problems, even if the solution of the problem is not important.  Most of the chess kids that were so enthusiastic about the game when I was teaching them didn't go on to become tournament players.  Some did, but I think that the main contribution that I made to the public education was to introduce many children to a rigorous analytical pursuit that sharpened their minds for other things that they later took on, like mathematics and music.  That and some lessons about competition, sportsmanship and taking responsibility for their own results, I suppose.
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #15 - 04/13/10 at 08:31:58
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chk wrote on 04/13/10 at 07:51:24:
@Antillian: You may then take a break, but it would be nice to have you posting here from time to time (I hope that is not very demanding! Smiley)

@BPaulsen: My thoughts exactly..

@Alias: I actually wanted to buy this book as a strategy primer for an amateur (he has read only Chernev's Logical Chess and Nunn's Learn Chess Tactics - he seems ok with tactics but has 0% experience OTB) - do you think it's too advanced?


chk: I have no experience in selecting books for beginners but I've seen some comments that somewhat difficult books are not harmful. If the reader does not fully appreciate the book, at least he/she did learn about important concepts. The book is very well written with lots of prose. Try it. I think it will be a great re-read when the player gets a bit better.
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #14 - 04/13/10 at 07:51:24
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@Antillian: You may then take a break, but it would be nice to have you posting here from time to time (I hope that is not very demanding! Smiley)

@BPaulsen: My thoughts exactly..

@Alias: I actually wanted to buy this book as a strategy primer for an amateur (he has read only Chernev's Logical Chess and Nunn's Learn Chess Tactics - he seems ok with tactics but has 0% experience OTB) - do you think it's too advanced?
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #13 - 04/13/10 at 06:43:23
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2 years ago I nearly quit. Chess felt very time consuming and pointless. All these books to read. The anxiety of the games and tournaments. The frustration of bad losses. It all turned around when my father (who is also a chess player) asked me if I wanted to participate a local weekend tournament. I played it virtually without any preparation, playing openings I knew little of and played some good games. I had a discussion with a GM I know about a delicate pawn ending I lost vs a 2300 player. All this made chess fun again. Since then I've reached the highest rating of my career. My openings are still rather poor, but I enjoy playing and that's what's important. 

Reading good books is quite important for me. Sometimes it's good to read easy books rather than the tough ones that makes you work hard. I read Michael Stean's "Simple Chess" last spring. I don't know if I learned anything new from it, but it reminded me about the beauty of good chess.
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #12 - 04/13/10 at 04:57:55
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I go through phases of great enjoyment of study/play, and others where the prospect of a chessboard just mentally shuts me off.

Aside from that - I long ago became comfortable with the idea chess is pointless, mainly because it amuses me, and what is life is not the pursuit of amusement?  Grin (rhetorical question)
  

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Reply #11 - 04/13/10 at 04:12:07
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Antillian wrote on 04/09/10 at 13:15:31:
Have this ever happened to you? All of a sudden the scales fall from your eyes, and you suddenly realize that chess is a frivolous, pointless antisocial pursuit that just seems to sap endless of your precious resources of time and money? All for no reason.

I have played chess on and off intermittently for the last 24 years, sometimes with very long breaks of up to 10 years. On all occasions the breaks have been due more to pull factors - other interests, work, study, travel. For the first time, I just suddenly find myself disillusioned with chess. and unmotivated. 

I don't play that regular competitive chess. I am preparing for my first OTB tournament in a year. And I just can't find the motivation to open a chess book. I might end up not playing. Outside of chess I have a full life, and nothing has really changed. 

I am just curious, has anyone ever similar to this and did it pass?


Nope, I've never had this feeling before, except for after very painful losses, and the feeling passed within a few hours. I don't see chess as being antisocial; in fact chess is considered by (intelligent) non-chess players to be a profound display of human intellect: a game, a sport and an art all in one. 

As for me, I couldn't imagine taking a break from chess. Sometimes I become very anxious and emotional, or worse still dejected within 48 hours of no chess.
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #10 - 04/12/10 at 18:11:34
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I think I am going to take a break actually. I am not sure how long. We shall see, but I am sure I will come back to the game. There are so many other demands on my time in any case, that a break is not such a bad thing.
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #9 - 04/12/10 at 17:01:57
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Antillian wrote on 04/09/10 at 13:15:31:


I don't play that regular competitive chess. I am preparing for my first OTB tournament in a year. And I just can't find the motivation to open a chess book. I might end up not playing. Outside of chess I have a full life, and nothing has really changed. 


I like your quote: "Chess, like love, like music, has the power to make men happy. - Tarrasch".  I suspect you've gone astray in preparing for a tourny.  Try to recall what it is about chess that makes you happy and try getting back to that.  For me it's seeing a beautiful move, and my satisfaction in my ability to appreciate it's beauty.  These moves are most often found in the literature made by others and occasionally (and even better) made by me. Wink  
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #8 - 04/10/10 at 16:23:56
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I played chess regularly in tournaments in the 1990s and then largely gave it up around 2000 (I continued to read books & magazines but very rarely played OTB).  I was never particularly good- my rating was no higher than around 1300.

Then in 2004 I went back to chess with a newfangled mentality of "I don't care about results- I'm going to start playing casually and just enjoy myself", and aided by some practice in team/county matches, since then my rating has risen rapidly to about 1900.  Oddly, I found that when I returned to chess after that four-year break I was probably playing to a higher standard than when I'd left off, which is probably unusual.  

However I'm also aware that the "I play for pleasure not results" attitude will only carry a chessplayer so far- I'm bound to hit a brick wall at some point at which time the conundrum of "will it be worth putting more work in and caring more about results in order to improve further" will set in.
  
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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #7 - 04/10/10 at 11:27:30
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I took two breaks, one for 4 years another for 15 years (new career, gained a wife, etc). Been back 4 years now and enjoying it more than ever.

I find breaks are healthy.
  
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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #6 - 04/09/10 at 19:06:45
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The issue of having analytical work/hobby is a good one. The first time around led me to burning out on chess and taking 3 years off. Now I am a bit wiser I hope.
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #5 - 04/09/10 at 16:46:42
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Oh I don't know, I have an analytical profession and an analytical hobby, both of which I enjoy but which can sometimes wear me out a little.  When I go on vacation, I never take chess along, and I don't miss it.  But I'm also happy to get back to it.

But what's frivolous?  Sex for example, considered objectively, is profoundly ridiculous and unsanitary into the bargain.  But most of us like it anyway.

  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #4 - 04/09/10 at 15:46:45
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I agree, what can I say, things happen in our heads from time to time..

chess midlife crisis - well put in Antillian's case, I mean yeah why not?

But it may come back to you as easily as it has left you..
  

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Re: Chess midlife Crisis?
Reply #3 - 04/09/10 at 15:12:39
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I've had times like this myself.  Depending on when this feeling hits you, it could kill the passion for the royal game completely. I've seen countless scholastic players give up the game because it just didn't bring them any joy despite their talent for chess.

I've given chess up for Lent, and taken more than one hiatus for several months to focus on "important" or "adult" pursuits.  But I've always come back to find the game has a newfound luster.  

It may be blasphemy to point out that chess is just a game.  It's a manmade construct that passes time.  Of course, it has many, many positive attributes, but in the end it is still a game.  

We give our actions meaning.  Chess lacks meaning unless we instill it with life.  If chess is lifeless for you, resuscitation sometimes works, but sometimes it's best to leave it alone.   One of the hardest things to do is to step back from something that we've invested money, time, energy, and life in.  Yet, sometimes, it's the best thing we can do.  

To mix metaphors, you're not married to chess but a separation doesn't have to lead to divorce.

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