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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #13 - 09/02/10 at 16:07:01
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linksspringer wrote on 09/02/10 at 15:12:39:


BTW, the Old Indian used to belong to Daring Defences, but not anymore it seems? Where on chesspub can I find the Old Indian now?


The Old Indian is now in the King's Indian section I think. ECO A53-54 or something like that.
  

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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #12 - 09/02/10 at 15:12:39
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In the past, "Daring Defences to 1. d4" was split into "Mainstream Daring Defences" (Gruenfeld, Dutch) and "Maverick Daring Defences". Perhaps it is an idea to reinstate that split for the forums?

BTW, the Old Indian used to belong to Daring Defences, but not anymore it seems? Where on chesspub can I find the Old Indian now?
  
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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #11 - 09/02/10 at 08:57:27
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Volcanor wrote on 09/01/10 at 15:42:13:
Since a few weeks, the section 1.e4 e5 of the forum has been split in 2 categories: Spanish, and non-Spanish. I don't know who did it (Tony, Markovich?), but I find both the idea and result excellent. Congratulations for doing it.

Splitting each section into 2 sub-sections (or more?) could be an option to help navigate through the forum. For instance, the KID section could be split into Classical and Non-classical, the Flank Openings into 1.c4 and Others, and so on.


I came up with the idea, and Tony implemented it.  Wink

I don't think the KID Forum should be split since that forum is relatively small compared to most of the other forums, but I like the idea of splitting the Flank Openings Forum into English and Non-English lines. There's also something to be said for splitting 1.d4 d5 into D06-D29 and D30-D69.
  

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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #10 - 09/01/10 at 15:42:13
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Since a few weeks, the section 1.e4 e5 of the forum has been split in 2 categories: Spanish, and non-Spanish. I don't know who did it (Tony, Markovich?), but I find both the idea and result excellent. Congratulations for doing it.

Splitting each section into 2 sub-sections (or more?) could be an option to help navigate through the forum. For instance, the KID section could be split into Classical and Non-classical, the Flank Openings into 1.c4 and Others, and so on.
  
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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #9 - 09/01/10 at 13:36:43
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I just saw that the French section suddenly has 0 topics and 8 posts. Yet when I clicked on it, all the topics are still there.

Is there something wrong with the counter?
  
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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #8 - 04/15/10 at 07:34:14
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I'll speak from experience: I have tried in the past to research for a repertoire against the Dragon (proper), I have also decided what I would play when reaching the main junctions of theory (e.g. Yugoslav setup, then 9. Bc4, then the 'elastic' Bb3 & Kb1 system). I thought this was enough to find the truth here and not revert to a (probably dated anyway) book. But the sheer amount of info, the difference in timing of, depth of coverage and chess experience included in each thread, made the whole thing very difficult. I was not even able to understand what was going on in the relatively 'redundant' Qa5 systems.

The moderator there has helped a lot I think by creating a sticky thread with a walkthrough of the main variations, but imo this is as far as we can go. After all, this is a forum and not an organised book. As the forum expands it is quite normal to see things repeated amongst other problems.

The only solution I see so far is for the moderators to include or correct the title of each thread so to include the name of the variation(s) discussed.

And let's face it when it comes to concrete variations, it is better to properly study and play an opening before coming here to discuss or research for the details.. (as you can tell I don't believe in quick fixes)
  

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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #7 - 04/14/10 at 21:21:36
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It is nice if somebody would organize the posts into some structure where everything was easy to find and I mostly found what I was searching for, if it was available. However I see at least two major problems:

1. Who has got the time to organize all the posts in the same structure?
2. Can we really find a structure that "everybody" understands. Usually when you "organize" information a lot of it will vanish for most of the people. 

I think a search engine together with good keys is one of the better ways. Use Internet as a model - but, who are going to find the keywords to each post? 

Actually I more often got better results (in ChessBup Forum) when I am searching on internet compared to when searching on ChessBub's search engine.

If somebody would start to organize everything on internet most of the information would not be accessible for most of the people. Only the expert on the organization will find the information.

I think we have to accept that we don't must/can organize everything the old way if we would like to find information in a better way than the old paper archives - it is not a paper archive we are working with.
  

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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #6 - 04/14/10 at 18:04:13
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 04/14/10 at 17:21:26:
...Apparently, it's not enough to just ask players to check before posting. 


It is not easy to check for instance 25 pages of non organized material. We need more detailed classification. 
  
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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #5 - 04/14/10 at 17:21:26
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The ECO key would work, tho not perfectly, when discussing specific variations. It would fail miserably in many threads, such as when a player asks what should someone who plays the KID against 1.d4 play against 1.e4, or a discussion of Marin's 1.c4 book.

No, the solution will need to take into account the ways the threads are used.  I envision some sort of tutorial for new members to let them know the tremendous resources we have already created.  Apparently, it's not enough to just ask players to check before posting.
  
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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #4 - 04/14/10 at 15:57:44
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And who is going to enter the ECO codes? Believe it or not, I pay absolutely no attention to ECO codes. I cannot tell you the ECO codes of any opening I play and I certainly could not be bothered to look it up if I start a thread on a particular opening.
  

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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #3 - 04/14/10 at 15:47:30
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The ECO key could be the key for a solution.

Each thread should have to register to one (or more, if transpositions are likely) ECO key in the second (or even first) header.

Thus, all threads related to e.g. C41 could be found much easier.

In some variations we even might need sub keys or similar things to make things easier (E97 and B33 spring to my mind). Perhaps a selection of sub keys could pop up if someone enters B33.

  

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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #2 - 04/14/10 at 13:12:44
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While I agree with TN that the search engine is quite good, there may be some way to help the newer members to find existing threads.  It's mostly the newer members who post the redundant threads, so if we could make it easier for them, it will unclutter the site.

I see two problems with attempts to unclutter the site: the first is that material has already been deleted by accident as moderators move threads.  The second is that by combining threads, it may make it harder to find the original context of an idea.

So, while I agree with TN that adding subsections may be suboptimal, we may still be able to improve the site. I just don't know how yet.
  
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Re: Organizing Forum
Reply #1 - 04/14/10 at 13:04:17
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I'm not convinced. For me at least, adding several sub-sub-forums would merely clutter the Forum with too many sub-forums. 

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

There is a search feature which helps in searching for information about particular variations. Like any search engine it's not flawless, but it's pretty good.
  

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Organizing Forum
04/14/10 at 12:28:00
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I think that moderators should consider creating sub-forums for better organization of the material.

There are so many similar threads about same variation. It would be much better to put them together.
  
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