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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #37 - 08/28/10 at 13:12:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, since there is a nagging development issue with the Nb1 a well timed development of this piece seems to make perfect sense.


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #36 - 08/27/10 at 10:40:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	(1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 f6 6.Nh3 Nge7 7.fxe5 fxe5 8.O-O Bf5 9.c4 d4 10.e4) Sylvester wrote on 08/26/10 at 18:15:08: I overlooked the simple 10...Bxh3 bringing the N to f4 as a reasonable reply. The gambit pawns don't have to be accepted. Is there no way through here? Maybe its only a speed chess ploy. Fortunately there is still Stefan's 6.Nc3 as discussed earlier in the thread. It looks like a good way to fight for the advantage.


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #35 - 08/26/10 at 18:15:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	I overlooked the simple 10...Bxh3 bringing the N to f4 as a reasonable reply. The gambit pawns don't have to be accepted. Is there no way through here? Maybe its only a speed chess ploy.


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #34 - 08/18/10 at 18:02:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: Well how about 9...d4? Markovich, Can you give me best play for White and Black in the following line? 10. e4 Bxe4 11. Qg4 Bg6 12. c5 Bxc5 13. Ng5 Qd7 14. Ne6 White has the idea of Bc4, Nxg7, Be6, and Qf3 among other inconveniences for Black. I wonder if this is all worth chewing on?


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Hehmer Ex Member	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #33 - 08/14/10 at 11:35:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	linksspringer wrote on 08/11/10 at 14:46:44: (1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 f6 6.Nh3 Nge7 7.fxe5 fxe5 8.O-O Bf5) Wink's 9.Rxf5 Nxf5 10.Qf3 is very interesting! The bishop pair and a centre pawn (d5) is good compensation in itself, and as Hehmer illustrates, Black has to be careful not to be worse. Worth a try! It (sort of) works only after 10...Qd7 11.Nc3 Nfe7?! but Black can play stronger 11...a6, 11...e4 or 11...d4. Edit: Sorry, I analyzed the wrong position. I still think 11.Qxd5 is playable.


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #32 - 08/11/10 at 14:46:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	(1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 f6 6.Nh3 Nge7 7.fxe5 fxe5 8.O-O Bf5) Wink's 9.Rxf5 Nxf5 10.Qf3 is very interesting! The bishop pair and a centre pawn (d5) is good compensation in itself, and as Hehmer illustrates, Black has to be careful not to be worse. Worth a try! Today I discovered an extensive review of Odessky's book by FM Stephen Berry: http://www.easychess.info/b3_lya%20Odessky_chessbook_review_by_stephen_berry.htm.... It turns out he played 6.Nh3 already in the eighties. He discusses two alternatives to 6...Nge7 (6...Nh6 and 6...Be6). In the line 6.Nh3 Nge7 7.fxe5 fxe5 8.O-O Bf5 he recommends 9.Qh5+ Bg6 10.Qf3 Qd7 11.Nc3 (same suggestion as Wink in reply #27) 11...a6 12.Be2 Nb4 13.Rac1 with equality and all to play for. That still leaves the question of what to do after 9...g6. Going back to previous posts: In reply #12 I mentioned the engine line 6.Nh3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.0-0 h5!? I had a fresh look, and now I think that White gets nice chances after the pawn sac 9.Nf2 exf4 10.e4! with King's Gambit-like play. The engine doesn't believe me at first, but after a while it has to concede it has trouble getting its king safe. In reply #24 I asked if Watson discusses Markovich's 9...d4! after 9.c4 in his book Mastering the Chess Openings 4. I can now answer that question myself: no, he doesn't.


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Hehmer Ex Member	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #31 - 08/09/10 at 14:16:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 08/09/10 at 04:57:27: Sylvester wrote on 08/09/10 at 02:23:01: What about 9. Rxf5 Nxf5 10. Qf3 Qd7 11. Qxd5 000 12. Bxc6 to get the Nb1 out ? After 11...Nfe7 12.Qe4 0-0 White has insufficient compensation for the exchange. If White wants to get the knight out then 9.Nc3 is a better method. Without engine at hand I like White's position after 11...Nfe7 12.Qe4 O-O 13.Ng5 Ng6 (else Bc4+) 14.Bxc6 but 12...O-O-O might be stronger. Even then White is not without chances though, i.e. 13.Ng5 Rdf8 14.Nc3 Qf5 15.Qxf5 Rxf5 16.Nf3!? (16.Nge4) and I don't know who is better since 16...Nb4 can be answered with 17.Ne4, maybe even 14.Nxh7 Rf5 15.g4 is playable.


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #30 - 08/09/10 at 04:57:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Sylvester wrote on 08/09/10 at 02:23:01: What about 9. Rxf5 Nxf5 10. Qf3 Qd7 11. Qxd5 000 12. Bxc6 to get the Nb1 out ? After 11...Nfe7 12.Qe4 0-0 White has insufficient compensation for the exchange. If White wants to get the knight out then 9.Nc3 is a better method.

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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #29 - 08/09/10 at 02:23:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	What about 9. Rxf5 Nxf5 10. Qf3 Qd7 11. Qxd5 000 12. Bxc6 to get the Nb1 out ?


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #28 - 08/09/10 at 01:39:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ooops! 9...g6 so Stefan's idea prevails -- to be expected.


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #27 - 08/09/10 at 01:24:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	In reply to the original post: What about getting the last of the White pieces out while playing actively. Example 9.Qh5+ Bg6 10. Qf3 prevents ...00 10...Qd7 11. Nc3= You haven't blocked off your Bb5 with c2-c4 and you have your Rs connected. You have pressure on d5.


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #26 - 07/22/10 at 08:44:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	parisestmagique wrote on 07/21/10 at 12:26:06: A guy played against me a truly logical and hard to crack variation : 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 a6!? now i played 4.c4 but after d6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.a3 (maybe ?!) g6 7.g3 it's a strange English opening with no white advantage ... Any idea for White (except giving up 1.b3) If you have Jacobs & Tait, it is on page 47, note to 3...g6. (Shame this book doesn't have an index of variations.) For 4.c4 they quote a game Sasikiran-Shabalov 2000: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1401721. This needs to be compared with other 4.c4 variations (eg after 3...d6, 3...Nf6 or 3...g6). I would play 4.Nf3, but then I also like to play 3...Nf6 4.Nf3.


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parisestmagique Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 473 Location: paris Joined: 01/24/06 Gender:	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #25 - 07/21/10 at 12:26:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	A guy played against me a truly logical and hard to crack variation : 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 a6!? now i played 4.c4 but after d6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.a3 (maybe ?!) g6 7.g3 it's a strange English opening with no white advantage ... Any idea for White (except giving up 1.b3)


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #24 - 07/01/10 at 21:31:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	This is interesting. I am reading a review of Watson's Mastering the Chess Openings 4 on ChessVibes (http://www.chessvibes.com/reviews/review-mastering-the-chess-openings-vol-4/). Apparently he discusses the very line I opened the discussion with. From the review: Quote: For instance, in the line 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 (Watson: “This is certainly the usual continuation in both the Owen and the English Defences: when the f-pawn can’t be captured, it makes sense to use it to break up the opposing centre.”) 5…f6 Odessky gave 6.Nh3 a ‘dubious’ sign (?!) because of the line 6…Nge7 7.fxe5 fxe5 8.0-0 Bf5! after which 9.Qh5+ and 9.Bxc6+ are unconvincing, but following Watson’s suggestion 9.c4 a6 10.Bxc6+ bxc6 11.d4!? with the threat c4-c5, White seems to be on top. No mention however of the Markovich improvement 9...d4, after which this forum was unable to find a convincing continuation for White. Can someone who owns Watson's book tell me if he discusses 9...d4 please?


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Wanderer, is there a path through? Reply #23 - 05/05/10 at 20:15:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stefan Buecker wrote on 05/05/10 at 19:25:41: linksspringer wrote on 05/05/10 at 17:24:06: My PC suggests that Black is OK after 12...Re8. Instead, it likes White (+=) after 9.e4. What do you think? 12...Re8? ignores the threat 13.exd5 cxd5 14.Ng5+ Kg6 15.Nxd5!. That's why 12...Rf8 is necessary (in this case the same attempt only leads to a draw). But 9.e4 seems to be a sound alternative. Oops, sorry, I was looking at the wrong position. Thanks for confirming that 9.e4 is OK.


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