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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #9 - 05/04/10 at 18:31:37
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Stigma wrote on 04/28/10 at 15:16:00:

Against the Grünfeld there's also the Exchange with Be3 as Kramnik played for years - often ...Qa5, ...cxd4 and ...Qxd2+ happens.


That's one of the systems discussed by Mednis, incidentally.  That was in the early days of the "Modern Exchange" with Nf3 (previously considered bad for White).
  
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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #8 - 04/28/10 at 15:16:00
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Markovich wrote on 04/28/10 at 14:26:51:
kylemeister wrote on 04/27/10 at 03:35:55:

It would seem pretty much impossible to do an actual repertoire book with that premise.


Oh I don't know, at least if we broaden the idea to systems geared more toward producing good endgames.  Hmm let's see:
 
QGA 7.dxc5
QGD Exchange with Nf3 and Rb1
Slav Exchange

Gruenfeld -- some Carlsbad-type system
KID -- Exchange (not entirely toothless, imho)
Nimzo -- not sure, maybe something with 4.Qb3
Benoni/Benko -- not sure

Dutch -- also not sure

Looks like you may be right when it comes to the Dutch and the Benoni.  Maybe others have suggestions.


Against the Benko maybe simply the classical accepted main line with Kxf1-g2 and Re1 (omitting h3). Well, black is often hoping for an endgame there, but if White is booked-up he will aim to only enter an endgame if he still gets winning chances (with the e5-break, for instance).

Against the Grünfeld there's also the Exchange with Be3 as Kramnik played for years - often ...Qa5, ...cxd4 and ...Qxd2+ happens.
  

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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #7 - 04/28/10 at 14:26:51
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kylemeister wrote on 04/27/10 at 03:35:55:

It would seem pretty much impossible to do an actual repertoire book with that premise. 


Oh I don't know, at least if we broaden the idea to systems geared more toward producing good endgames.  Hmm let's see:
 
QGA 7.dxc5
QGD Exchange with Nf3 and Rb1
Slav Exchange

Gruenfeld -- some Carlsbad-type system
KID -- Exchange (not entirely toothless, imho)
Nimzo -- not sure, maybe something with 4.Qb3
Benoni/Benko -- not sure

Dutch -- also not sure

Looks like you may be right when it comes to the Dutch and the Benoni.  Maybe others have suggestions.




  

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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #6 - 04/28/10 at 14:17:46
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Reverse wrote on 04/27/10 at 01:51:04:


I know mednis wrote a book about this subject. Was it a repertoire or instructional?


I have it somewhere on my shelves.  I don't believe it's a repertoire book, more of a collection of disparate systems that lead to early endings or at least, to queen exchanges.
  

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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #5 - 04/28/10 at 12:54:37
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If both players know their theory and avoid forced draws most openings would end up in an endgame.

Btw, iIrc there was a book by Esben Lund a few years ago looking in depth at B+N vs R+p as arising from one of the mainlines of the Scotch. Don't know if he covered any other opening with a similar endgame material too.
  
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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #4 - 04/27/10 at 13:52:11
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Wojo's Weapons is pretty close to an endgame repertoire for White. And mostly serious lines too.

Apart from that, why not just search for games by well-known endgame specialists and consider the openings they play? Like Andersson, Kramnik, Salov, Rozentalis etc.
  

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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #3 - 04/27/10 at 07:24:04
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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #2 - 04/27/10 at 03:35:55
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The Mednis book examined a number of lines in which White can go for a queen trade.  1. e4 lines were the most numerous, but there were several with 1. d4 and a couple in the Reti/English.

It would seem pretty much impossible to do an actual repertoire book with that premise.  Incidentally the book came out at a time when people actually played chess without repertoire books -- at least, the earliest ones I remember came out about two years later.
  
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Re: Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
Reply #1 - 04/27/10 at 02:23:05
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Shereshevsky wrote a great two-volume opus on the connection between opening and endgame.  I think it was called Mastering the Endgame. (I only checked it out from my library and never bought it.  But I devoured it!)

Rather than an endgame repertoire, it's useful to think of the types of endgames and pawn structures an opening produces.  For instance, the Sicilian Dragon often creates situations where Black has a minor piece and pawn for a Rook.  Learning that particular endgame would probably help you to play the opening better!

So, to answer your question, just about every good opening book should deal with the endgames that arise, if only to point out thematic pawn structures and piece play!
  
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Does an Endgame Repertoire exist?
04/27/10 at 01:51:04
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Does there exist an endgame repertoire? You know, opening to ending, avoid all the fun?

I know mednis wrote a book about this subject. Was it a repertoire or instructional?
  
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