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Reply #20 - 06/18/10 at 22:44:08
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Reply #19 - 06/13/10 at 12:20:15
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On chesstempo.com there is a very good server for end game and tactic training.
The cost is $20 per year. I really think yoiu get value for money and it can be tested for freee.
  

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Reply #18 - 06/13/10 at 08:41:46
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Thanks gabriel for the link and willempie for the advice. A coach wouldn't work for me. Never had enough money to afford one and have gone solo with chess my entire life. Might have helped when I was a kid to have one, but I don't think he/she would help as much now. I have a better idea of what to study and what Im doing, and can always ask for advice here if I need help or a strong player's opinion.
  

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Reply #17 - 06/13/10 at 05:12:24
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I wish I knew ...! 

Thanks for the correction! I have changed accordingly.
  

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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #16 - 06/13/10 at 03:41:46
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I think you mean "100 endgames you must know"  (rather than 1000Wink
  
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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #15 - 06/12/10 at 20:07:13
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Ametanoitos wrote on 06/09/10 at 11:08:19:
No, this is not a good plan to study endgames. You will be bored to death! If you want to study an endgame book fine, but study ALL these? I don't know even professionals to do this kind of work! Use the books as reference points and analyse with their help the endgames that occur to your games. A better way to climb the elo scale is to study tactics, play 10 min games on the internet using a stict opening repertoire and analyse every game afterwards and create an "interesting positions base" out of these games that you will revisit time to time. If an interesting endgame occurs then study it. You'll have a good time, learn a lot, gain experience and identify your weak spots much easier.


Different persons like different flavours. I think the above is an excellent advice and then I would add Silman + "100 endgames You must Know" by Jesus de la Villa.

After that you are ready for the heavy weight tomes.

...but you must find your way - and perhaps a coach that may guide you in the long term study of the end-game. And play and analyse, play and analyse  and play and analyse again!
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Reply #14 - 06/12/10 at 11:03:55
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Looks like a lot and I think you may miss out on practice this way. I would add something like chesstactics.com where you can play won endgames (eg R+p vs R). I have started using shredder in combination with Freezer to do similar things.

Btw It depends on what you like with books. The following is completely subjective: M&L is very good, but encyclopedic. Silman I can't judge, but many seem to like it. Dvoretsky somehow never interests me as I think it is dry. I quite like Flear's endgame books (I have improving and mastering the endgame), in particular I like the way he intermixes theory and practical advice.
  

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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #13 - 06/11/10 at 23:51:29
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@ up and comer, I have posted on the other thread on endgame training a link to an article by Irina Mikhailova, (W)GM, trainer, T.V. Petrosian Chess Club (Moscow) on using Convekta's programmes for chess training, in a training programme for chess players Elo2200 intending to get to IM title. You might want to check it out and modify that with reading the books you mentioned. Probably neither is sufficient on its own but combined may be better solution.
  

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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #12 - 06/11/10 at 04:19:16
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Ametanoitos wrote on 06/09/10 at 11:08:19:
No, this is not a good plan to study endgames. You will be bored to death! If you want to study an endgame book fine, but study ALL these? I don't know even professionals to do this kind of work! Use the books as reference points and analyse with their help the endgames that occur to your games. A better way to climb the elo scale is to study tactics, play 10 min games on the internet using a stict opening repertoire and analyse every game afterwards and create an "interesting positions base" out of these games that you will revisit time to time. If an interesting endgame occurs then study it. You'll have a good time, learn a lot, gain experience and identify your weak spots much easier.


Thanks for the advice and I do study tactics a lot. Don't worry, I find chess interesting and have the motivation to do this type of "boring" work. Being good at endgames is a goal I'm willing to put in the work for.
  

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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #11 - 06/09/10 at 20:01:55
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This holds only if you feel bored by endgames. Some feel bored by open sicilians.

In the core you're right. It must be fun to study. Else leave it.
  

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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #10 - 06/09/10 at 11:08:19
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No, this is not a good plan to study endgames. You will be bored to death! If you want to study an endgame book fine, but study ALL these? I don't know even professionals to do this kind of work! Use the books as reference points and analyse with their help the endgames that occur to your games. A better way to climb the elo scale is to study tactics, play 10 min games on the internet using a stict opening repertoire and analyse every game afterwards and create an "interesting positions base" out of these games that you will revisit time to time. If an interesting endgame occurs then study it. You'll have a good time, learn a lot, gain experience and identify your weak spots much easier.
  
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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #9 - 06/05/10 at 17:10:50
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Almost all books mentioned are quite good.
Though I think most will find Müller/Pajeken much clearer than Sherevsky, whose commentary is often quite sparse. 

Flear's book, as pointed out is really in a category of its own. It will be hard to find the material he presents anywhere else. He not only covers 2 pieces against 2 pieces but also Q+pawns vs. Minor Piece+R+pawns,
Q+pawns vs. 2R+pawns, R + pawns versus two minor pieces (which is also covered in Marin's learn from the legends, which also covers a lot of endgame technique (in the guise of game commentaries).

One of the drawbacks in studying books is of course that it needs a lot of discipline. And by that I mean not uncritical following what is presented the text, but thinking actively about the positions presented and analysing independently what is going on.

As Dvoretsky stated it is not enough to read good books, you also need practice to reinforce gained knowledge. 

A reasonable alternative is the Endgame Training program that is sold by ChessOk. The exercises also cater for 2000+, and cover a reasonable wide variety of positions.
  
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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #8 - 05/29/10 at 21:21:25
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Well at 2200 I still find Soltis useful, but then I'm not very strong in the endgame. Soltis writes a lot about thinking methods and attitude while the others are more into typical positions and strategies.

Shereshevsky, Hansen and the others take many of Soltis' insights for granted, so I think of it more as a "starter course", not a complete strategy course in itself. If you have a good "feel" for the endgame already you may not need it.
  

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Re: Is this a good plan for endgame study?
Reply #7 - 05/29/10 at 20:39:47
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Thats sounds like a good idea. Would Soltis' book be all that I needed in terms of endgame strategy to meet my goal?
  

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Reply #6 - 05/29/10 at 19:51:04
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Hard to say. Strategic endgames are more frequent in practice than technical ones so in that sense they should have priority, but of course good strategic endgame play often requires knowledge of the technical positions that can arise!

One possibility is to study Dvoretsky's essential material (marked in blue) first, then a good strategic book, and finally the rest of Dvoretsky.

P. S. To clarify: the Soltis book I mentioned is "Turning Advantage Into Victory in Chess" (he also has another endgame book I like). It should be clearly easier than Shereshevsky (which has Dvoretsky's stamp of approval) and Müller/Pajeken, with Hansen somewhere in-between. Only two of the four have exercises which I find a useful feature: Soltis (a few) and Müller/Pajeken (many). And there's also Excelling at Technical Chess by Agaard - really a wide choice here.

Flear's Practical Endgame Play is also sort of a strategy book, but limited to two pieces each, and arranged by material instead of by theme. I think it's easier to study if you've worked with a more typical strategy book first.

P. P. S. The Bán tactics book I mentioned comes only in old descriptive notation if that's an issue.
  

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