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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #10 - 07/25/10 at 02:03:06
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cool great, i'm trying to check it out

I'm actually considering playing 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bf5    What do you guys think of that line? I'm a little iffy on the 4....dxc4 5. e3 line after e6 eventually white moves the queen and pushes e4 and i feel kinda weird
  

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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #9 - 07/20/10 at 09:09:17
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For the Semi-Slav, I would recommand another book from Vigorito: Play the Semi-Slav. As the Vigus one, it's also a repertoire book for Black starting after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6

If you want to play for a win, I'd say that below 2200 Elo I don't care too much about the opening. It can be the French Exchange, The Slav Exchange or whatever else, I think you'll have opportunities to win the game if you play better than your opponent.

For higher Elo, I don't know... but I can guess. The Semi-Slav gives probably better oppotunity for a win than the Slav. Paradoxically, I think that the Vigus repertoire's book gives more unbalanced positions than Vigorito's book, at least on common opening. In the Slow Slav with 4.e3, Vigus chooses 4...Bg4 and Vigorito 4...Bf5; in the exchange variation, Vigus' choice is also more provocative (with Nh5) than Vigorito (very symmetrical). Neither choice is better in my opinion, just different. And I'm happy to have both choices, depending on my state of mood and my opponent.

Bottom-line: as repertoire books, both books are great!

In addition, if you want books on the Semi-Slav, there are 2 books I don't know much about. The new book from Dreev (Moscow variation 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 h6) and an older one from Vera, Chess Explained: the Meran Semi Slav (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5.e3).

Good luck with the Slav and Semi-Slav!

  
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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #8 - 07/19/10 at 18:38:50
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Really cool! Yeah, i want to play the dxc4 Slav, but I do want a more aggressive line against d4 in my repertoire just in case i want to play for the win, I'm thinking about learning the Semi-Slav as well? it looks very sharp and complicated, I looked over some games between Kramnik and Anand where Anand totally blows Kramnik away in the World Championships in the Semi-Slav, where should i start in learning that? i'm trying to get my hands on that Vigus book
  

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Reply #7 - 07/19/10 at 15:55:10
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@ Kobesarmy: I would first read Starting Out: Slav & Semi-Slav from Flear. It's a nice book explaining the main ideas and lines of both openings (plus a small part on the 4...a6 Slav). It gives you a taste if you like the opening or not; and if you like it, which one of the 3 system.

If you already made up your mind with the 4...dxc4 Slav, you can probably skip the Flear book. I would then recommand 2 books: the Vigus book discussed previously (an excellent repertoire book), and also Vigorito's book Chess Explained, The Main-Line Slav. It's not a repertoire book and gives an excellent overview of the 4...dxc4 Slav (without any coverage of the Slow Slav and the Exchange Slav). Both books are very complementary.

Slav players can be happy: there are a lot of great books to choose from!
  
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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #6 - 07/18/10 at 19:54:11
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I am somewhat struck by that assessment of "not mainstream."  I mean, 4...Bg4 in the Slow Slav has long been a major line in the books, and as far as I know, that Sokolov line with ...Nb6 has been pretty popular among GMs for some time now (for instance, just picking up an Informant from about five years ago, there are several games with it).


Perhaps I chose the wrong word, the lines are indeed popular right now. I was just indicating that the main recommendations do not consist of long, forcing, heavily analysed lines like the ...Bxe4 piece sac, or Morozevich's ...Qc7 and ...e5.
  
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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #5 - 07/18/10 at 19:49:00
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I am somewhat struck by that assessment of "not mainstream."  I mean, 4...Bg4 in the Slow Slav has long been a major line in the books, and as far as I know, that Sokolov line with ...Nb6 has been pretty popular among GMs for some time now (for instance, just picking up an Informant from about five years ago, there are several games with it).
  
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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #4 - 07/18/10 at 19:28:14
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cool thanks!! I'll try to check it out if I can get my hands on it
  

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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #3 - 07/18/10 at 19:22:29
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Black's general idea is usually to go ...Nfd7, exchange the active Ne5 and break with ...e5. For, example - 9.f3 Nfd7 10.Nxd7 Nxd7 11.e4 Bg6 and Black will often aim for ...e5, ...Qb6, ...exd4, ...Bc5 etc. This is the main line, although there are plenty of other options for White, he is by no means limited to 9.f3, for example. Check out some games in your database for specifics.

After 4.e3 Vigus does indeed recommend 4...Bg4 and gives good coverage of it. Though 4...a6, 4...Bf5 and 4...g6 are all perfectly good alternatives, if you prefer one of those.

As a solid, not mainstream, low maintenance, self-contained repertoire after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6, its a great book.
  
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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #2 - 07/18/10 at 18:58:40
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Cool, yeah, the position looks nice, but what's black plan there? and what is he to do if it is deviated on move 4 with a simple e3? maybe Bg4?
  

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Re: Learning the Slav
Reply #1 - 07/18/10 at 18:32:25
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It all depends what kind of Slav you're aiming for - Semi-Slav, ...a6 Slav, or the traditional main line Slav (with ...dxc4 and ...Bf5).

If its the latter, and I assume that it is, then Vigus' Play the Slav is excellent. He proposes 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.Ne5 Nbd7 7.Nxc4 Nb6 8.Ne5 a5 as his main line recommendation, which is solid, active, and not as forcing as some of the deeply analysed main lines. White has plenty of opportunities go go wrong here. Many of his other recommended variations are not main line, yet completely sound and a welcome change.

If you're aiming for a Semi-Slav or ...a6 Slav, then longer forcing lines are much more common.
  
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Learning the Slav
07/18/10 at 18:01:09
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I'm a Grunfeld player, but I've found the Bc4 line extremely annoying for me so I'm looking for an opening, positional where i can try and push for a win, but i don't mind to draw, and the Slav looks like a good positional choice to use against strong players when i don't mind a draw.

I was warned that the Slav requires the knowledge of some key concepts (pawn structure maybe?) I was wondering what I should know before playing it or some key ideas I should understand.

Also what are some key plans that seem to show up over and over again for black in the Slav? What about key problems? Key squares for white and black?

I tend to like to play something that isn't mainline, I was wondering what line in the Slav I can make my "pet" line that isn't played almost every time the Slav is played. Of course I'll use Rybka and databases to look through games, but I was hoping for some ideas. Maybe there is a famous game that illustrates the idea perfectly that I should look over? Is there a line in the Slav that leads to an "at best draw" for black (i don't like these)?

Finally, what are some good free resources or articles that I can read on the Slav? I'll try and find a book or 2 on it as well.
  

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