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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #104 - 08/19/10 at 04:52:43
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MNb wrote on 08/17/10 at 19:24:22:
sloughter wrote on 08/16/10 at 18:39:19:
Anybody know why Einstein got a lot of press with respect to general relativity and Poincare practically none?

I already have told you - and you typically neglected it - that Poincare is honoured among physicists and mathematicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincaré

and scroll down to look up how many theorems bear his name.
Concerning the press - well it's the press. It always simplifies and looks for heroes. Not Einstein's fault, as others already have remarked.


Who originated the ridiculous "miracle year" nonsense? The press? or physicists? Unlike any discipline where conceptual rigor is valued, in physics if your batting average is over 200, you must be a genius. 


Look the boondoggle at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory where we really must spend billions of dollars to upgrade our nuclear weaponry and pursue the asinine implosion fusion program.

At LLNL physicists/engineers plan to harness the explosive equivalent of a 100 pound stick of dynamite going off every second. The engineering should be a breeze, just like the Tokomak, where it should be easy to create a long-term plasma and convert that easily into cheap, reliable electricity. Did I fail to mention? The hot fusion research program has cost over $15 billion, has been a gravy train for physicists for over 40 years and has yet to generate one kilowatt of power.

The trade literature in the 1960's said we would have hot fusion power plants by the turn of the century. Now we are told that commercialized hot fusion reactors will be available 40 years from now.

The shear la la land that phycisicts live in is exemplified by the fact that they equate fission and it being commercialization in only ten years and this will result in a similar time frame for fusion power. This is convenient specious reasoning by physicists. With fission, you just heat water, something that is well known in traditional power plants. With hot fusion the basic process is known. What isn't known is just how much sputtering will place in the reactor cladding and dozens of similar problems like what do you do with waste products of fusion?

Try explaning to the American public on the one hand that there are no waste products from hot fusion only to realize that the radioactive material from the hot fusion high-energy neutrons creates radioactive waste that is more deadly than that from fission reactors.

The American public may not know the difference between fission and fusion but they will know bull**** when they see it.

How much effort went into the supporting engineering before one dime was spent on building the tokomak? Was there a clear plan at the start to prove that even if the plasma was confined that it might pose unsolvable engineering problems or were physicists just content to play with the plasma?

None of these would have occurred (and we wouldn't have the big hole in the ground in Texas) without big physics riding the coattails of Einstein.

Do you really think that the average American cares about whether we can find eentsee weenstee particles inside the eentsee weentsee particles? This is a wet dream for physicists only. 

If $1 billion+ had been spent on medical research, battery research, hurricane studies (by the way, you should read in "Infinite Energy" magazine why hurricanes intensify so rapidly---they pick up energy from hydrogen bonding) , and earthquake prediction studies we could save and could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Of course, if you believe Senator John Kerry, we are better off studying phenemena that has no hope of practical application after 40 years of research, than pursue one that had hundreds of reactor years under its belt, was nearing completion and was largely an engineering rather than a physics problem. Then it got shut down just to please the hot fusion crowd.

I digress. Where and when does the phrase the "miracle year" appear and who coined the phrase and why? Was the media spoon fed this phrase by big physics to give the illusion of Einstein the "genius"? Did anyone prior to coining the phrase dissect the 1905 papers the way Ohanian did in the book, "Einstein's Mistakes  The Human Failings of Genius"?

Somehow this garbage got elevated to the status of a "Miracle Year". 

Did the press magically get interested in the 1905 papers or where they fed a pile of crap by physicists trying to create a hero just like Eddington did with the Eclipse data from 1919?

Ohanian didn't prove Einstein was a genius (yessiree Bob that Cosmologic Constant paper was a sure act of "genius"). I have yet to see anyone disprove my rejection of the equivalence principle. Now it appears that spacetime is dead not to mention that Einstein flip-flopped on the ether, general relavity and the cosmologic constant. It helps when you're right part of the time.

Einstein was the Inspector Clouseau of the scientific community. He stumbled, he fumbled and he bumbled along, occasionally getting something right when only the good Inspector knew how incompetent he was.

Einstein brought with him a "research" style that ignored primacy of ideas, where sleaze wins, and is, systemic in astrophysics, nuclear physics and theoretical physics. Believe it or not (gasp!) some scientists actually have ethics. It is my privilege to have worked with a true scientist who was awarded a Lifetime Achievement award from the Geological Society of America. He was first a teacher, then a mentor, and now a friend. Even though he wrote a book on geology mathematics (tensor transformations, stress and strain, etc.), when I showed him a new coordinate system, it was so mathematically complex, he couldn't solve it to find stress at a point.

If that man had been Einstein, he would have stolen this new coordinate system and presented it has "his" idea.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #103 - 08/18/10 at 16:56:21
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Markovich and MNb are right, Sloughter doesn't seem interested in conversation, just in repeating his conspiracy theories.

I won't, as a moderator, shut down this thread. But I will only engage in discussions. I won't even try to engage sloughter's conspiracy theories anymore. He's not interested, and worse, he's not interesting.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #102 - 08/18/10 at 08:38:45
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Sloughter would have us believe that the several eminent theoretical physicists, who knew the subject matter intimately, and who acknowledged Einstein's achievements following the publication of his 1905 papers, had been hoodwinked. His comments on Mileva Maric's alleged contributions to Einstein's early work illustrate how false information circulates when people are unaware of the actual facts. For instance, he writes that Einstein acknowledged her contribution to the 1905 special relativity paper when he wrote: "I am also looking forward to working on our new studies. You must continue with your research---how proud I will be to have a little Ph.D. for a sweetheart while I remain a totally ordinary person!" These words were written in September 1900 shortly after Mileva had failed the Zurich Polytechnic final teaching diploma examination, and as the reference to a Ph.D. indicates, it related to her ambition to develop her diploma dissertation into a Ph.D. thesis. The subject matter of her dissertation (as indicated in Einstein's previous letter and elsewhere) was heat conduction, and had nothing to do with special relativity. In the quoted sentence Einstein is referring to his research on for his own Ph.D. thesis, on which he was working at that time, having recently obtained his Zurich Polytechnic teaching diploma.

>…Mileva may have studied special relativity under Weber (who disallowed her thesis).<

This is evidence-free speculation, without foundation. We know from the Einstein/Maric correspondence, and from Mileva's letters to her friend Helene Kaufler, that the subject of her dissertation was heat conduction, and that she gave up her ambition of developing it into a Ph.D. thesis after she failed the diploma exam again in 1901, and following criticism from Weber (letter to Helene, Fall 1901).

The assertion that Abram Joffe claimed he read a "Russian [sic!] paper" on special relativity by Einstein-Marity is erroneous. Joffe did not claim to have read the original 1905 papers, nor that he believed Mileva co-authored the 1905 papers. In the memorial article in question, he clearly identified the author of the 1905 papers as Albert Einstein. See Alberto Martinez: 
http://www.ase.org.uk/htm/members_area/journals/ssr/ssr_march_05pdf/eins_wife-pg...
and John Stachel:
http://www.esterson.org/Stachel_Joffe.htm

>Mileva [was] actively was involved in the construction of the [relativity] theory and especially the mathematics where she excelled.

This exemplifies how false information circulates. Firstly, the mathematics for the special relativity paper does not involve any mathematics that would have tested Einstein, who was highly proficient in the traditional mathematics (algebra and calculus) required. Secondly, far from excelling in mathematics, after high school Mileva's grades in mathematics were very moderate, and her grade in the mathematics component (theory of functions) of the final diploma examination in 1900 was a very poor 2.5 on a scale 1-6. It was only slightly improved when she failed the diploma exam when she retook it the following year. At no time did she ever score higher grades than Einstein in mathematics: in the Zurich Polytechnic entrance examination, their coursework grades, or in the intermediate and final diploma examinations.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #101 - 08/18/10 at 07:46:30
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Yes, we already could read Sloughter's last post a dozen times - it contains nothing new and nothing that addresses my last post.
  

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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #100 - 08/18/10 at 02:20:11
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Ho, hum.  Time to close this topic, which is but one person's hobby horse.
  

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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #99 - 08/17/10 at 22:57:17
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MNb wrote on 08/17/10 at 19:24:22:
sloughter wrote on 08/16/10 at 18:39:19:
Anybody know why Einstein got a lot of press with respect to general relativity and Poincare practically none?

I already have told you - and you typically neglected it - that Poincare is honoured among physicists and mathematicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincaré

and scroll down to look up how many theorems bear his name.
Concerning the press - well it's the press. It always simplifies and looks for heroes. Not Einstein's fault, as others already have remarked.


Physicists have allowed others to falsify the record and reputation of Albert Einstein with the express purpose of lining their pockets with wealth, power and prestige. Why has no one stepped forward to correct the false and misleading book by David Bodanis on E=mc^2? This completely falsifies the input from Albert Einstein. As I indicated he had nothing to do of any significance with respect to this equation, the single most famous equation in the entire world (If you believe Bodanis). As I indicated he did not orginate the equation, derive it or originate the conversion of matter into light or energy, yet everything we know about the equation comes from Einstein. Just read the Bodanis book. 

Why has no one in the physics community stepped forward to correct this piece of fluff or is it their advantage to allow this false and misleading information to remain on the record?

For evil to succeed all that it requires is that good men do too little. Einstein's is a classic example of the corruption of the truth (fundamentally evil) which none of his followers have tried to correct as actively as they have promoted his reputation. Tell the truth and the cash cow dies. Do you really think that there has been no impact on Federal funding in this country as a direct result of Einstein's reputation or his elevation to Icon status under the guise of being the "Person of the Century"? 

The Chinese outnumber us 3:1. Do you think that they wanted Albert Einstein as Person of the Century? Given half a chance they would obviously have chosen Mao Tse-tung both as a leader and a symbol of Communism. And you really think Einstein was a more important figure in the 20th Century??? 

The jingoist journal Time Magazine chose our dubious hero without consulting any foreign countries. I seriously doubt the French were interiewed when he was chosen. Did anyone consult the Indians? I'll bet they might have chosen Gandhi as "Person of the Century", not Einstein. 

How many physicists OPPOSED the choice of Albert Einstein as Person of the Century and publicly stated their opposition to this choice? Or were they content to receive the obvious largesse now that Einstein and physicists had been elevated to an exalted level? What better way to get that particle accelerator built or that improved neutrino detector!?

That Poincare is recognized in science and mathematics is meaningless insofar as the public is concerned. It will matter, however to the average American, that the Eclipse data of 1919 was totally fraudulent, a hoax, that is even being supported today by supporters of Einstein. 

The Eclipse of 1919 turned Einstein into a celebrity overnight. There is a classic story of Eddington and Rutherford having dinner together and Eddington gushing over Einstein. Rutherford looked at Eddington and said, "You made Einstein." Why did Rutherford say in private what could have and should been stated in public? This is a classic example by a physicist of deliberately leaving false and misleading information about Einstein on the record.

Physicists are guilty of passive fraud i.e. leaving on the record false and misleading information because they know it is a source of wealth, power and prestige. Did anyone tell Einstein that the Eddingon expedition was a fraud? Did anyone point out to Einstein at Princeton that Eddington had cooked the data? Einstein had no support for general relativity from the Eclipse data; all Einstein had to do was read the long 1930 paper by Charles Lane Poor, "The Deflection of Light as Observed at Total Solar Eclipses" yet it was "convenient" for Einstein to avoid the implications of the paper just as he ignored the obvious bogus data created by the charlatan Emil Rupp.

Physicists have a cash cow in Einstein thus they have absolutely no reason to correct the historic record particularly when their champion Stephen Hawking can corrupt the factual record to promote his reputation and the illusion that physicists are "really" important scientists. If you doubt this is true consider the book by Gleick where some physicists think the only science of any significance in the 20th Century was relativity, quantum mechanics and chaos theory. This is the kind of rubbish fed to the American public by "popular" texts aswellas the "professional" journals.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #98 - 08/17/10 at 19:24:22
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sloughter wrote on 08/16/10 at 18:39:19:
Anybody know why Einstein got a lot of press with respect to general relativity and Poincare practically none?

I already have told you - and you typically neglected it - that Poincare is honoured among physicists and mathematicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincaré

and scroll down to look up how many theorems bear his name.
Concerning the press - well it's the press. It always simplifies and looks for heroes. Not Einstein's fault, as others already have remarked.
  

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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #97 - 08/17/10 at 03:43:41
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sloughter wrote on 08/16/10 at 18:39:19:


...Anybody know why Einstein got a lot of press with respect to general relativity and Poincare practically none?


Well, to argue that Poincare had practically no press with respect to general relativity would be to accept that Poincare recognised the revolutionary new way that Einstein viewed the world as a result of the equation before Einstein did.

There is no evidence at all, especially from Poincare himself, that he saw the implications of general relativity as clearly as Einstein did.  Poincare did have the formula, but never realised the implications before Einstein pointed them out.

So, to answer your question, 

YES! I know why Einstein received "more press with respect to general relativity" than Poincare did.

And I suspect that even you do, too, sloughter. But it's more fun to create a conspiracy theory out of nothingness than to accept a sea-change in the way the physical world was viewed.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #96 - 08/16/10 at 18:39:19
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Markovich wrote on 08/13/10 at 14:16:21:
sloughter, I have no power to dispatch Rangers, Apaches or A-10s against you, however satisfying it might be to do so.

Also factually, I would be very surprised if Muslims outnumbered Jews in this world by less than 20 to 1.  But what does this have to do with Einstein?


The key to any great leader religious or otherwise is to have the most diligent followers, hence the goE's role in Einstein's success. If the followers of Poincare had outlived the followers of Einstein, we would be calling it Poincare's theory of special relavity.

What my reading of the literature doesn't seem to reflect is that one arguement against Poincare and his contribution to special relativity was his passion for studying general relavity; when you read about general relativity you see names like Gerber, Wien, Hilbert, Grossman, etc. but not Poincare. Anybody know why Einstein got a lot of press with respect to general relativity and Poincare practically none?
  
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Reply #95 - 08/16/10 at 18:26:20
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Markovich wrote on 08/13/10 at 14:16:21:
sloughter, I have no power to dispatch Rangers, Apaches or A-10s against you, however satisfying it might be to do so.

Also factually, I would be very surprised if Muslims outnumbered Jews in this world by less than 20 to 1.  But what does this have to do with Einstein?


There is considerable evidence that the Jewish community has been a great source of intellectual input about secular matters for centuries e.g. Nobel Laureates, great chess players etc. That's the problem. The Muslim community by virtue of lacking any corresponding level of achievement measured objectively means that selling the secular world to the spiritual Muslim extremists is a tough sell. Simply put we are a Tower of Babel where neither side speaks the others languages.


  
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Reply #94 - 08/13/10 at 20:15:52
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It was the first thing he wrote after quoting me. You are right that Sloughter's logic is a bit peculiar; that's why I formulated it as a question, which was not entirely meant rhetorically.
  

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Reply #93 - 08/13/10 at 17:46:49
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Logic isnt' sloughter's strong suit. But I'm not going to engage him in his rantings. 

MNb, he didn't mention you when he said he's been accused of anti-semitism.
  
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Reply #92 - 08/13/10 at 16:03:28
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sloughter wrote on 08/13/10 at 12:11:51:
MNb wrote on 08/13/10 at 09:39:26:
In those years Tesla also claimed to have invented a killing beam, a machine to make contact with aliens, anti-gravity and more of that stuff. Of course that doesn't matter to Sloughter. If anyone criticizes Einstein he/she is Da Man - a genius, a true scientist.


One of the charges leveled against me is that I am an Anti-Semite.

Did I accuse you of Anti-Semitism? What has it to do with Tesla?
Do you enjoy fighting strawmen so much?
Good for you if your not Anti-Semite. Anti-Einstein like you is stupid enough.
  

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Reply #91 - 08/13/10 at 14:16:21
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sloughter, I have no power to dispatch Rangers, Apaches or A-10s against you, however satisfying it might be to do so.

Also factually, I would be very surprised if Muslims outnumbered Jews in this world by less than 20 to 1.  But what does this have to do with Einstein?
  

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Reply #90 - 08/13/10 at 12:33:20
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MNb wrote on 08/13/10 at 09:39:26:
In those years Tesla also claimed to have invented a killing beam, a machine to make contact with aliens, anti-gravity and more of that stuff.

Hey, don't be dissing Tesla. The man was a genius!

Incidently, I thought this thread had run its course.  Why start it up again?  Did you guys get bored?  Too much time on your hands?  Huh
  

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