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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #119 - 08/24/10 at 11:26:53
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Nfinity wrote on 08/23/10 at 18:41:10:
Every time I log into these forums and see this thread has a new post, I facepalm.  This thread does not deserve further posts.  Unless, of course, you post something funny, like Williempie just did. 


When I was in a more generous mood, I wrote the following script about Albert Einstein:

CONVERSATIONS WITH ALBERT EINSTEIN IN THE NEXT LIFE

RM: Dr. Einstein, can you hear me?

AE: No need to shout.

RM: How do you like the next life?

AE: Not bad.

RM: What was your greatest achievement?

AE: Helping to get the State of Israel set up.

RM: What was your worst failure? 

AE: The cosmologic constant. I was the first to suggest antigravity. The was perhaps my most radical idea and no one liked it very much; eventually my peers made me recant. It was the worst mistake I ever made. Within the past decade, evidence of a very powerful antigravitation signature has been detected by the Hubble Telescope.

RM: What do you think of the work of Poincare?

AE: He was one of the greatest thinkers and authors of all times even surpassing me. Do you know why I am famous in this century and he isn't? His followers were disorganized after his death in 1912 and couldn't lay a glove on me. Do you know that Lorentz and Poincare did the lion's share of the work in special relativity? Poincare came up with the formula E=mc^2 five years before I presented it in my 1905 paper and Poincare came up with the structure of the electron which is often credited to me. Why did I get credit for these? Because my followers were more vocal than the followers of Poincare. Few people realize how much my legacy is intertwined with Poincare.

RM: This new physics confuses me; I thought you were supposed to credit those who came before you.

AE: Not necessarily. If you do the work independent of them and don't do research, it is amazing how many new ideas you can find.

RM: How can you justify not doing research when you were a patent clerk? Don't patent clerks do research?

AE: You mean special relativity, right?

RM: Right. How did you ever find that publication to publish special relativity?

AE: It was a physics journal;l they'll publish anything.

RM: That doesn't give you the right to be a plagiarist.

AE: I was young and impetuous. I prefer to think of myself as a creative borrower. It should be pointed out that I credited Lorentz for his contribution in my mathematics paper in 1935.

RM: In other words, ex post facto to the tune of 30 years even after Lorentz was dead, you acknowledged you were a plagiarist. It also should be pointed out that you apparently profess to being ignorant of the work of Poincare when you wrote your special relativity paper.

AE: Why do you have to put a negative spin on everything?

RM: Among other reasons, you were a patent clerk and the need to check your facts carefully, lest you be fired, yet in the subject paper you profess to know little or nothing about Poincare and you use the work of Lorentz without due credit; you act as though Poincare was a minor influence on relativity. Why when you do research for a living do you pretend not to know how to do it in your own papers.

AE: No one required me to do research for the papers so I didn't.

RM: How much of the four 1905 papers was 'borrowed'?

AE: By today's standards, none of them was adequately referenced.

RM: Why weren't you caught?

AE: I just put them out there; it was up to the review process to catch them.

RM: Did Sir Arthur Eddington completely fabricate the data for your general theory of relativity based on the Eclipse of 1919?

AE: Art was very inventive on my behalf. Youi have to consider his mission to Africa. I was not to test my theories, but to prove them right.

RM: Is this the way to do science? Isn't science supposed to be objective? How can he collect data objectively when he is determined to prove you right?

AE: Are you implying that an advocate can't collect data objectively?

RM: When he was attempting to determine how much stars were bent during an eclipse in Principe, did he include all the stars that were bent at that time?

AE: Why should he? The only stars that mattered were the ones that were bent according to my theories.

RM: So it didn't matter to you that scientists, for no apparent reason, tossed 85% of the data from the South American Eclipse of 1919 and that only about 50% of the data was used during the Australian Eclipse of 1922.

AE: It was necessary to 'cleanse' the data set.

RM: Let's look at another of Eddy's ingenious tricks. Didn't he determine the location of stars to .02 arc seconds?

AE: What's wrong with that?

RM: Because astronomers would argue that precisions greater than 2-3 arc SECONDS were dubious. The equipment was operated out of its ideal temperature range, heat waves were shimmering off the ground because of temperatures in the mid 90's. Distortion of the starlight as it traveled through the sun's atmospere was significant. Mapping the motion of individual stars would be like mapping the motion of a dozen belly buttons across a flaming barbecue pit.

AE: Since David Levy in PARADE MAGAZINE decreed that the discovery was one of the seminal events in the 20th Century, it must be right.

RM: What do you think of supraluminal light, that light travels faster than the speed of light? What do you say to scientists who claim that information cannot travel faster than light, thereby salvaging your paper?

AE: Lijun Wang, a researcher with the private NEC A Institute a reported in the Washington Times said it beautifilly opaquely, " However, our experiment does show that the generally held misconception that, 'nothing can travel faster than the speed of light' is wrong."

RM: Can't your apologists see the obvious?

AE: Ah, my blessed followers. Their minds are made up; don't confuse them with facts.

RM: Do what do you credit your success?

AE: Borrow creatively and have the most devoted followers of anyone. For example, take the best ideas in the world and promote them improperly and they will fail. Take mediocre ideas and promote them enthusiastically for decades, and they will succeed. This is the way it should be.

RM: Thank you Dr. Einstein; your candor is appreciated.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #118 - 08/24/10 at 09:28:02
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/22/10 at 20:14:59:
AE, 

Thank you for sharing these websites. 

I found your first link most informative. The author tears apart Bjerknes and Sloughter, point by point. The main argument is well summarized, 

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The fact that Lorentz work was notably important is not disputable. The fact that Poincaré was brushing around the bush, probably coming close to arrive at a correct and provable theory of special relativity is correct. The fact that Einstein's work on Special Relativity put the pieces together and revealed the complete theory in a coherent, correct and provable formulation is not really disputable.
(Karl Radl, 2008. Here's the link again:  http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/08/einstein-poincar-conundrum.html...  

The author clearly links Bjerknes to several anti-semitic theories but treats the arguments that he and sloughter propose seriously. 

I would really like to see Sloughter answer these questions directly rather than blather on as he has in the past. He has a comprehensive, well-documented counter-argument and yet, so far, has refused to deal with these points.  

Karl Radl made this argument in 2008, and yet Sloughter posts his diatribe here. He ignores every serious attempt to engage and rebuff his argument. He simply restates it, often with more incendiary language than the previous time.

As an aside, sloughter's approach to chess, in which he ignores the best moves of his opponents in order to come up with a new system that is supposedly better than anything others have thought of, suffers from the same error.  It's small wonder that sloughter never rose above 1800 or so in chess. 

Please note, I'm not deriding Sloughter's chess rating, or suggesting his rating is in some way a reflection of his intellect. I am suggesting that he is consistent in ignoring the best ideas of his opponents, whether it's in chess or other intellectual pursuits. This choice limits his performance in chess just as it limits his abilities in science.


When I tried to respond to your criticism, the website could not be accessed. When I clicked on the link it could not be found. It is difficult to respond to a website when I couldn't even access it.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #117 - 08/23/10 at 18:41:10
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Every time I log into these forums and see this thread has a new post, I facepalm.  This thread does not deserve further posts.  Unless, of course, you post something funny, like Williempie just did.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #116 - 08/23/10 at 09:17:22
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A little "research" on "Karl Radl" reveals that he also goes under the pseudonym "LionAxe". Radl evidently posted the article cited above on the Einstein/Poincaré priority dispute
http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/08/einstein-poincar-conundrum.html
elsewhere. Those interested can find Bjerknes's response here: 
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/12/odd-and-misleading-attack-against-me-on...

"Karl Radl" replies, Part I
http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/01/christopher-jon-bjerknes-debacl...

Part 2
http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/02/christopher-jon-bjerkens-debacl...

Radl's responses to Bjerknes illustrate that Bjerknes's scholarship is critically undermined by certain characteristics of his mode of argument. I summarised some of these in my analysis of his contentions in relation to Mileva Maric's alleged contributions to Einstein's work:

"If there is anything to be drawn from Christopher Jon Bjerknes’ chapters on Mileva Marić it is for what they reveal about his propensity to recycle any statements he can find in the literature that he can enlist for his purposes with no regard for their evidential basis, and his corresponding failure to cite the considerable evidence that undercuts his thesis."
http://www.esterson.org/Critique_of_Bjerknes.htm
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #115 - 08/23/10 at 01:11:59
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The fact that Poincaré was brushing around the bush, probably coming close to arrive at a correct and provable theory of special relativity is correct. 

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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #114 - 08/22/10 at 20:14:59
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AE, 

Thank you for sharing these websites. 

I found your first link most informative. The author tears apart Bjerknes and Sloughter, point by point. The main argument is well summarized, 

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The fact that Lorentz work was notably important is not disputable. The fact that Poincaré was brushing around the bush, probably coming close to arrive at a correct and provable theory of special relativity is correct. The fact that Einstein's work on Special Relativity put the pieces together and revealed the complete theory in a coherent, correct and provable formulation is not really disputable.
 


Karl Radl, 2008. Here's the link again:  http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/08/einstein-poincar-conundrum.html

The author clearly links Bjerknes to several anti-semitic theories but treats the arguments that he and sloughter propose seriously. 

I would really like to see Sloughter answer these questions directly rather than blather on as he has in the past. He has a comprehensive, well-documented counter-argument and yet, so far, has refused to deal with these points.  

Karl Radl made this argument in 2008, and yet Sloughter posts his diatribe here. He ignores every serious attempt to engage and rebuff his argument. He simply restates it, often with more incendiary language than the previous time.

As an aside, sloughter's approach to chess, in which he ignores the best moves of his opponents in order to come up with a new system that is supposedly better than anything others have thought of, suffers from the same error.  It's small wonder that sloughter never rose above 1800 or so in chess. 

Please note, I'm not deriding Sloughter's chess rating, or suggesting his rating is in some way a reflection of his intellect. I am suggesting that he is consistent in ignoring the best ideas of his opponents, whether it's in chess or other intellectual pursuits. This choice limits his performance in chess just as it limits his abilities in science.

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Edited to fix a broken link.
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #113 - 08/22/10 at 18:42:25
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Sloughter: I posted a link to Stachel's response to claims about Mileva Maric's alleged contributions to Einstein's work. You choose to ignore the contents of that response. Instead you return to your contentions about the Einstein/Poincaré priority dispute. I have no expertise on that topic and do not have an informed opinion on the matter. However, you will find an interesting discussion of the issues, including Bjerknes's contentions, here:
http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/08/einstein-poincar-conundrum.html

You will also find a relevant article by Corry, Renn and Stachel, dating later than the Wikipedia entry you cite:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050313161944/http://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/texts/W...

Your only direct response to my posting on Mileva Maric was that "Stachel is hardly an unbiased researcher". I don't base my views on Stachel's position, but on an examination of all the evidence available. Much of what is in Stachel's article in relation to the Einstein/Maric correspondence I had already discovered for myself. See:
http://www.esterson.org/milevamaric.htm
(Scroll down a little to the subheading "The Einstein/Marić correspondence and related claims".)

The implied notion that Stachel is too biased to be taken seriously, whereas Bjerknes's contentions should be, is not borne out in relation to a subject I do know a great deal about. See:
http://www.esterson.org/Critique_of_Bjerknes.htm

Any notion that Bjerknes is a dispassionate critic of the (Jewish) Einstein should be quickly dispelled by reading his blog. For instance: "The Jews are poisoning Americans with genetically modified foods sprayed with pesticides then irradiated, meat products dosed with hormones, antibiotics and the toxins they have dispersed in our environment and in the genetically modified poisoned grains they feed the animals, etc."
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/12/organic-health-of-great-and-enduring.ht...

Or how about this insight: "We Americans will soon taste our own blood as the Jews genocide us. Obama is their agent. He will bring us their death with a broad smile on his lying face."
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2009/04/professional-liar-and-jewish-puppet.htm...

Even the least likely nations are part of the Jewish conspiracy: "The North Koreans are agents of the Jews through Communist China."
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2009/06/chinese-checkers-and-star-of-david.html

None of this proves Bjerknes is wrong about Einstein, but it hardly encourages one to trust his (highly selective and frequently misleading) contentions without close examination of their credibility.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #112 - 08/22/10 at 11:12:19
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AE wrote on 08/21/10 at 09:41:36:
Sloughter repeats his unfounded assertions about Mileva's supposed "contributions" to special relativity theory, while ignoring my refutation of his previous assertions on the same subject. There is not a scrap of evidence that she made any contribution to the theory, or indeed that she had any particular interest in it, beyond the fact that the subject matter was of great interest to Einstein. See John Stachel's critique of these claims:
http://www.esterson.org/Stachel_Einsteins_letters.htm

Sloughter is equally ignorant of the facts in relation to the Nobel Prize money. Correspondence between the couple four years after they had separated shows that, having already tried unsuccessfully to persuade Mileva to agree to a divorce, he now proposed that, should he be awarded the Nobel Prize as was widely anticipated, the money would be transferred to a Swiss bank in trust for their sons. Mileva would be allowed to draw the interest, but not exercise power over the capital without permission from Einstein. So, contrary to widely circulating stories, Einstein did not hand over his Nobel money to Mileva, and his motive for making the offer had nothing to do with any supposed contributions to his work.


Stachel is hardly and unbiased researcher; he went on PBS to claim that Mileva was only a "sounding board" for Albert. The Bjrerknes/Statchel debate is discussed in the Wikipedia Talk: Relativity Priority Debate with a clear bias in favor of Einstein. He tries to give the impression that the 1905 paper on special relativity was adequately referenced when Einstein gives vague allusions to the work of others and pretends that two foot notes is adequate referencing. 

There are other sites referring to the Statchel/Bjerknes debate. Read Bjerknes's response to Statchel in the site called, "Albert Einstein: The Incorrigible Plagiarist" Statchel has been rewriting history for a very long time. Read the entire Bjerknes response to see the length that Statchel, a goE, has done to rewrite history.
  
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Reply #111 - 08/21/10 at 13:37:43
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU03eR2H-Aw
This makes more sense than a certain poster
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Sloughter repeats his unfounded assertions about Mileva's supposed "contributions" to special relativity theory, while ignoring my refutation of his previous assertions on the same subject. There is not a scrap of evidence that she made any contribution to the theory, or indeed that she had any particular interest in it, beyond the fact that the subject matter was of great interest to Einstein. See John Stachel's critique of these claims:
http://www.esterson.org/Stachel_Einsteins_letters.htm

Sloughter is equally ignorant of the facts in relation to the Nobel Prize money. Correspondence between the couple four years after they had separated shows that, having already tried unsuccessfully to persuade Mileva to agree to a divorce, he now proposed that, should he be awarded the Nobel Prize as was widely anticipated, the money would be transferred to a Swiss bank in trust for their sons. Mileva would be allowed to draw the interest, but not exercise power over the capital without permission from Einstein. So, contrary to widely circulating stories, Einstein did not hand over his Nobel money to Mileva, and his motive for making the offer had nothing to do with any supposed contributions to his work.
  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #109 - 08/20/10 at 14:20:10
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Alias wrote on 08/20/10 at 13:23:04:
In the spring, we'd make meat helmets.


Was your father a boulangerie owner from Belgium?!
  
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Well said, Alias!

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Re: Einstein's Methodology
Reply #106 - 08/20/10 at 12:22:57
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Uruk wrote on 08/19/10 at 11:34:06:
sloughter wrote on 08/19/10 at 04:52:43:

If $1 billion+ had been spent on medical research, battery research, hurricane studies (...) , and earthquake prediction studies we could save and could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Blame your Senator dear sir, not a 100-year-ago physicist.
See, I don't blame Pythagoras for my sandwich being triangular.


Where did the good Senator Kerry get his information? 

The integral fast reactor, according to the experts Charles E. Till and George S. Stanford led to nuclear non-proliferation and prevented the spread of nuclear weapons, just the opposite of what Kerry claimed. His constituents knew that if the IFR had gone into commercial operation, the program at MIT would be superfluous and have no need for funding i.e. they stood to lose $100,000,000+ in funding.

It was to the benefit of MIT physicists to act against the National Security of the their country to keep the gravy train running. These are the goE's who are every bit as corrupt (the departure from true and correct) as the maestro. Again---no Einstein---no MIT hot fusion program.

Einstein's methodology is evidences by two intersection goals:

1)The goal of Einstein to be successful,

2)The goal of his supporters for Einstein to be successful.

Einstein convinced Mileva to be an Einstein, "one stone" and throw her contributions to special relativity to him; hence she is not a coauthor of the paper, "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies", she is not referenced, and in a true act of sleaze, Einstein doesn't even mention her in the acknowledgements, something most men do as a perfunctory gesture.

Einstein wrote her out of any contributions of any kind. No doubt Einstein awarded her the Nobel prize money as "hush" money, because she knew where the skeletons were buried?

His special relativity paper is a marvelous attempt to skirt the issue of primacy of ideas. He would give vague allusions of other studies without actually naming them. In other situations, he would pretend to induct as opposed to deduct. He would rewrite the work of others and pretend it was original with him. Here is a quote from James MacKaye as appearing in the book, "Albert Einstein The Incorrigible Plagiarist" by Christopher Jon Bjerknes,

"Einstein's explanation is a dimensional disguise for Lorentz's...Thus the Einstein theory is not a denial of, nor an alternative for, that of Lorentz. It is only a duplicate and disguise for it...Einstein continually maintains that the theory of Lorentz is correct, only he disagrees with the 'interpretation'. Is it not clear, therefore, that in this as in other cases, Einstein's theory is merely a disguise for Lorentz's, the apparent disagreement about 'interpretation' being a matter of words only?"

Ibid. "In point of fact, therefore, Poincare was not only the first to enunciate the principle, but he also discovered in Lorentz's work the necessary formulation of the principle. All this happened before Einstein' paper appeared."  Keswani

Ibid. "Although Einstein cited Mach as a source of ideas *, Mach rejected Einstein's relativity theory and asked not to be associated with the 'dogmatic' and 'paradoxical' 'nonsense' in spite of the fact that Joseph Petzoldt sought to give Mach his due credit for major elements of relativity.* Einstein initially adored Mach, and asked for his guidance and help.* When it became known after  Mach's death, that Mach rejected Einstein and his views, Einstein ridiculed Mach.*     (*= reference)

"On the bending of space" ibid. From Clifford who died in 1879.

"The peculiar topic of this chapter has been position, position of a point P relative to a point A. This relative position led naturally to a consideration of the geometry of steps. I proceeded on the hypothesis that all position is relative, and therefore to be determined only by a stepping process. The relativity of position was a postulate deduced from the customary methods of determining position, such methods in fact always giving relative positions. RELATIVITY OF POSITION IS THUS A POSTULATE DERIVED FROM EXPERIENCE. 

"Einstein's arguments were almost always fallacies of 'Petitio Principii.' In order to hid his piracy, he would irrationally state the experimental results others had obtained before him---the phenomenon, 'per se' as his 'first principles' or 'postulates'. He would then conduct an analysis of the problem, as if he were proposing a synthesis of the solution---he knowingly confused induction with deduction and analysis with synthesis. Then he would slip in the hypothesis of others in the middle of his theories , as 'derivations' or 'natural consequences' , of the phenomena, in order to deduce the same 'postulates/phenomena' as conclusions in an 'Argumentum in Circulo'."

"Einstein wanted it to appear that he was following Newton's fourth rule, but Einstein was really simply disguising his piracy of the hypothesis of others, through illogical fallacies. In so doing, Einstein would claim the priority that he had 'derived' what his predecessors were forced to 'hypothesize'. Einstein turned the synthetic scientific theories of his predecessors on their heads, rendering them bizarre methaphysical delusions, in order to steal credit for them. Einstein avowed that all scientists should abandon induction, state phenomenon as premises, and use his method of divine inspiration, instead of induction---but even here he plagiarized another's thoughts.   Bjerknes.

Here are the words of the maestro describing his research methodologies, 

"There is no inductive method which could lead to the fundamental concepts of physics. Failure to understand this fact constituted the basic philosophical error of so many investigators of the nineteenth century...Logical thinking is necessarily deductive; it is based upon hypothetical concepts and axioms. How can we expect to choose the latter so that we might hope for a confirmation of the consequences derived from them? The most satisfactory situation is evidently to be found in cases where the new fundamental hypotheses are suggested by the world of experience itself."

Einstein, A. 1954. "Ideas and Opinions" Crown Publishers, Inc. New York, p. 307/


  
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Re: Einstein's Methodology
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sloughter wrote on 08/19/10 at 04:52:43:

If $1 billion+ had been spent on medical research, battery research, hurricane studies (...) , and earthquake prediction studies we could save and could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

Blame your Senator dear sir, not a 100-year-ago physicist.
See, I don't blame Pythagoras for my sandwich being triangular.
  
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