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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #22 - 11/07/10 at 04:15:21
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #21 - 11/06/10 at 15:22:03
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Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 07:00:13:
I heard there is Das WRG, Band 2, but I do not have it.
The chesslive.de database should have games with the WRG. Regarding the ... 6...c5 move, Winckelmann himself defeated it with 7 Rb1, 7 Qe2 7 Bb2. And these were postal games! 


The object of chess is to score, and the likely score is what chess theory always keeps in view.  This is the sole objective basis upon which such a move as 4...c5 can be judged. 

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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #20 - 11/05/10 at 15:35:40
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Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 16:14:49:
You miss the point. In over-the-board tournament games, you cannot use a computer to help!

This line of argument is completely unconvincing to me.

I have a fairly good memory and most players better than me have even better memories. If I see this line once, even in blitz, I will make the effort to come up with a refutation. If I need an engine to help me analyse at home, well, that's part of my home preparation. 

I don't need to use the engine if I can remember the analysis. In this case, the analysis isn't particularly complex. I welcome my opponent playing unsound gambits such as this in a critical tournament in the hope that I haven't remembered my analysis. 

That's precisely the sort of gamble that loses in chess.
  
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Reply #19 - 11/04/10 at 22:04:30
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I just received the Wonderful Winawer a couple of hours ago. Looks pretty impressive!
It continues in the same style as Flexible French. Only fewer games (35) this time but much more deeply annotated.

My first impression is if you've liked the Flexible French (even if you did not like Revolutionize your chess, like I did) for just a tiny bit and play the Winawer. Buy it!

As for the WRG, he only looks at 6. f3 c5 7. Be3. So no Be2 lines.
  
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Reply #18 - 10/28/10 at 16:37:16
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Either way its rubbish mate.
  
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Reply #17 - 10/28/10 at 16:14:49
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You miss the point. In over-the-board tournament games, you cannot use a computer to help!
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #16 - 10/28/10 at 09:25:18
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Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 07:00:13:
I heard there is Das WRG, Band 2, but I do not have it.
The chesslive.de database should have games with the WRG. Regarding the scaredy-cat, yellow 6...c5 move, Winckelmann himself defeated it with 7 Rb1, 7 Qe2 7 Bb2. And these were postal games!



Yes. Postal games from the stone age. Before Fritz appeared on the scene, not speaking of Rybka.

The current "state of the art" (AFAIK) is that though the WRG may not be refuted, it is simply bad.
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
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I heard there is Das WRG, Band 2, but I do not have it.
The chesslive.de database should have games with the WRG. Regarding the scaredy-cat, yellow 6...c5 move, Winckelmann himself defeated it with 7 Rb1, 7 Qe2 7 Bb2. And these were postal games!
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #14 - 10/28/10 at 02:37:51
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Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 01:05:03:
The scaredy-cat line 6...c5 has a number of refutations according to Thomas Winckelmann's book, Das Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit (1995).


Theory has changed a fair bit since 1995. How many of these 'refutations' have been played in practice since, and were they effective in the relevant games played?
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #13 - 10/28/10 at 01:05:03
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The scaredy-cat line 6...c5 has a number of refutations according to Thomas Winckelmann's book, Das Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit (1995).
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #12 - 10/27/10 at 23:00:17
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The Poisoned Pawn is in vouge now, but it will also be interesting to see what the original thinker Moskalenko has found in the Warsaw variation (7.Qg4 0-0) just when I had decided to finally give it up!
  
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Reply #11 - 10/27/10 at 19:26:48
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In some ways it does help your repertoire. It gives you original ideas what you can play for in certain variations. Which makes positions easier to understand and to play.

If you complement Watsons play the french (a real repertoire book) with flexible french and from what it looks like with Wonderful Winawer you've got a solid repertoire and lots of ideas to play with.
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #10 - 10/27/10 at 19:08:23
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Thats why I didn't like the Flexible French, it may be good for those who already know the opening and want new ideas, but it's not of much use for building a new repertoire.
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
Reply #9 - 10/27/10 at 16:12:27
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Oh, I don't know.  Personally I am not much impressed by the provided samples.  While I love Moskalenko for his enthusiastic iconoclasm, his works are all have a certain harem-scarem character.  You find deep and original treatment of some lines; scant or no treatment of others.  I doubt that 32 pages for the Winawer Poison Pawn, for example, can possibly offer a thoroughgoing treatment, so I expect more of the same.  A "must have" book to be sure, but one that will also be full of holes.

I don't think that it's in Moskalenko's character to write an internally consistent, deep, search-for-truth theoretical book, but we must take him as he is.
  
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Re: The Wonderful Winawer
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