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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #14 - 11/09/10 at 10:09:18
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Bob,

Thanks for the excerpt. It's always good to see the type of notes in this kind of book.
  

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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #13 - 11/08/10 at 23:42:04
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I haven't had time to check the notes or anything, but it looks good.  I might buy it, thanks!
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #12 - 11/08/10 at 22:48:28
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Here's a PDF of Round 7 of the AVRO book:

http://herakleitos.net/AVRO_Round%207.pdf

The page format of this doc is 8 1/2 x 14, so to print on an 8 1/2 x 11 page, choose the option "Shrink to Printable Area" in the "Page Scaling" drop-down menu in the Adobe Reader print menu. (In other contexts the option is often something like "Letter"; whatever the terminology you find, you want to print on a letter-sized page.)

This file can be distributed as you wish. Thanks for your interest.

Bob
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #11 - 11/08/10 at 19:47:53
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No apologies necessary. If you saw my translation of the Karlsbad 1907 book what you saw was my error checking of Marco and Schlechter's notes in addition to the translation itself. Everyone expected my books on Chicago 1926 and AVRO to be similar, but they're original works (checked by the engines, just to be sure).

The publisher just gave me permission to make a PDF of one of the rounds and post it, so I'll be doing that soon. I can send you one in a PM if that would be of interest. I just have to decide which round . . .
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #10 - 11/08/10 at 19:37:02
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herakleitos wrote on 11/07/10 at 21:40:06:
I happen to be one of the authors of this book, the one who provided the notes to the games. I annotated every game from scratch, with later reference to existing notes. As I say in my author's preface:

"Those of us who value the history of chess have reserved a special place of honor for the tournament sponsored by the Dutch in 1938. We are drawn to the great players and the epic games produced by the confluence of two generations of profound chess artists. So when publisher Dale Brandreth asked me to provide notes for this latest collaboration I overcame my feeling of trepidation—can anyone ever understand these games deeply and accurately enough?—and settled down to this most daunting but enjoyable task.

"Dale and I agreed that the games should be analyzed afresh, without reference at first to the familiar commentaries, to try to get as unprejudiced a view of them as possible. Then afterwards we would examine the contemporary and later reports and the game collections, including what was of particular interest in them to fill out the context and color for each encounter, consistent with our wish to see each game with an original vision."

The analysis disagrees in many places with the previous understanding of these games. There was no point is just re-hashing the old analysis.  -- Bob Sherwood



Apologies.  I'm glad my assumptions were wrong, and I stand corrected.  Just makes me want to buy the book even more.   Smiley

   
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #9 - 11/08/10 at 17:24:54
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I haven't had a published rating for a lot of years, as I haven't been playing in tournaments. My last official rating was 2289, from 35 (!) years ago, but since then I've put a fair amount of work into chess and am clearly stronger than that. Friends tell me my strength, based on games with them and against computers, is 100 points higher. If I knew the openings better I'd be an IM without any sweat at all. IM-level chess is self-evident to me.

I'm not competitive, though, being more of an analyst and aesthete, so I may never know my true rating. But I might play in the Vermont state championship, which would give us some idea.

I'm quite strong at pure analysis and am good technically (I love endings). The notes in the AVRO book have a lot of original material, including thoughts I've had on these games since I was a teenager in the 60's.

I will ask my publisher if we can post a sample chapter or game to his Web site so you can see what I have done with these games.

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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #8 - 11/08/10 at 01:58:13
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Just out of curiousity, what's your rating, Bob?  I did a quick search of the USCF site, various databases, and I didn't find anything.  Thanks.
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #7 - 11/07/10 at 21:40:06
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I happen to be one of the authors of this book, the one who provided the notes to the games. I annotated every game from scratch, with later reference to existing notes. As I say in my author's preface:

"Those of us who value the history of chess have reserved a special place of honor for the tournament sponsored by the Dutch in 1938. We are drawn to the great players and the epic games produced by the confluence of two generations of profound chess artists. So when publisher Dale Brandreth asked me to provide notes for this latest collaboration I overcame my feeling of trepidation—can anyone ever understand these games deeply and accurately enough?—and settled down to this most daunting but enjoyable task.

"Dale and I agreed that the games should be analyzed afresh, without reference at first to the familiar commentaries, to try to get as unprejudiced a view of them as possible. Then afterwards we would examine the contemporary and later reports and the game collections, including what was of particular interest in them to fill out the context and color for each encounter, consistent with our wish to see each game with an original vision."

The analysis disagrees in many places with the previous understanding of these games. There was no point is just re-hashing the old analysis.  -- Bob Sherwood

  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #6 - 10/25/10 at 21:01:17
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I liked Sherwood's previous book and anything that Dale puts out is a collector's item.  I hate to comment on a book I haven't seen yet, but if this book is consistent with others in the series it will be a beautifully bound hardcover that will tell the story of the tournament, with all the games and loads of historical context.  I think of the authors more as historians than as strong players, so I suspect that they will have mostly compiled pervious annotations of these games and blunder-checked them with Rybka.  I will buy this book to have a permanent record of an important tournament and to have everything in one place, but I don't expect it to contain startling new analysis of the games.  
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #5 - 10/25/10 at 20:13:14
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Oops! I remembered the thread from a couple of weeks ago but didn't bother to read it again. Wink
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #4 - 10/25/10 at 06:40:07
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Gorath wrote on 10/25/10 at 00:46:58:
Niggemann lists a new book:

Dale Brandreth, Robert Sherwood
 
AVRO 1938
International Chess Tournament

Publisher: Caissa Editions
Language: English


See first post in this thread.
  

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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #3 - 10/25/10 at 00:46:58
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Niggemann lists a new book:

Dale Brandreth, Robert Sherwood
 
AVRO 1938
International Chess Tournament

Publisher: Caissa Editions
Language: English
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #2 - 10/08/10 at 18:01:29
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There's also AVRO 1938 by Dr. Arthur S. Antler which was published by Chess Digest in Dallas, 1993.

It's an amateur's job. That is, Dr. Antler clearly did it for the love of the subject. It includes some biographical data and incorporates notes from contemporary sources and the players themselves. He also interviewed Reshevsky and includes that in with the biographies.   

I wasn't thrilled by it, but it does cover the gap.
  
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Re: Avro 1938
Reply #1 - 10/08/10 at 14:54:58
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Actually, a tournament book was written in 1938 M.Euwe who also participated.
Unfortunately for the rest of the world it was in dutch....
  
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Avro 1938
10/08/10 at 11:23:44
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Considering that this tournament is considered to be one of the strongest ever http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5956 , I've been a bit surprised by not finding a tournament book covering it. Now it seems to be one. Written by Robert Sherwood and Dale Brandreth, published by Caissa Editions.

I don't know anything about the authors. They seem to have written a few historical books before. Brief desciptions on the net indicates that the authors have spent a lot of time reading old books and articles about the tournament and now used Rybka to check the analysis.

Let's hope the book is as fine as the tournament!
  

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