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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #38 - 01/04/11 at 20:19:50
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7.Bb5+ is a logical idea; it is another argument that 6...Bd7 is better than 6...b6.
Still Bengal Tiger should not have taken on f3. That only helps to develop White's kingside.
You could have done better with 14.Ne5 idea c5 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.Be7 Re8? 17.Bxh7+.
After 15...c4 iso 15...Qc6 White will find it hard to pursue his attack. Same for 16...c4 iso 16...cxd4?? after which the standard attack wins.

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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 b6 7.Bb5+ c6 8.Bc4 Bb7 9.Qe2 c5 10.Bf4 cxd4 11.fxe4 Nc6 12.Nf3 Nge7 13.0-0 Ng6 14.Bg3 0-0 15.Rad1 e5 16.h4 Qe7 17.h5 Nf4 18.Bxf4 exf4 19.cxd4 Qxa3 20.Rd3 Qe7 21.c3 Na5 22.Ba2 Qxe4 23.Qc2 Qf5 24.Ne5 Be4 25.g4 Qg5 26.Qe2 Bxd3 27.Qxd3 Rae8 28.Qe4 Rxe5 29.Qxe5 Qxg4+ 30.Kh1 Qh3+ 31.Kg1 Qg3+ 32.Kh1 Qh3+ 33.Kg1 f3 0-1
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #37 - 01/04/11 at 18:04:13
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1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 b6 7 Bb5 c6 8 Bc4 Bb7 9 Qe2 ef3 10 Nxf3 Nf6 11 00 00 12 Bd3 Nbd7 13 Bg5 Bc7 14 Qf2 c5 15 Qh4 Qc6 16 Rae1 cxd4 17 cxd4 Qd5 18 c4 Qc6 19 Rf2 Ba6 20 Ne5! 1-0,
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #36 - 01/03/11 at 20:00:07
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Gambit wrote on 12/31/10 at 06:00:15:
I will search my games and post them here.


Still searching, Lev?
Or don't you want to post games you've lost against 6...c5; 6...b6; and 6...Bd7; ?
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #35 - 01/03/11 at 19:02:52
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The response 6...e5 is not to be feared. I have played 7 Be3! here, with good results.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #34 - 12/31/10 at 06:45:09
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MNb wrote on 12/18/10 at 21:44:29:
Brilliant answer, Lev. Never let logic get in the way of your opinions.
Anyhow, already met 6...c5, 6...Bd7 and/or 6...b6 ?


Those all look like good defences to me, but isn't 6...e5 really good too?  I know this move has been brought up before but did anyone propose some good White tries?  I've played this gambit quite a few times in blitz myself but never really thought it was completely sound.
  
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I will search my games and post them here.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
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Brilliant answer, Lev. Never let logic get in the way of your opinions.
Anyhow, already met 6...c5, 6...Bd7 and/or 6...b6 ?
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #31 - 12/18/10 at 21:39:20
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To you it is inferior. Not to me.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #30 - 12/16/10 at 09:58:39
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Gambit wrote on 12/16/10 at 04:56:42:
I never said the WRG was inferior. You said it, MNb, not me.

No, logic never has been your forte. Let me try to explain it once again. You say 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 6.e5 is good for White. Right? That means 4.e5 Ne7 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 is also good for White. Right? Now the latter does not offer a pawn. Right? So the latter is better than the first. In other words, 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 is inferior.
And I assure you, that OTB and in corr chess, computer or no computer, play after 4.e5 is even more lively than after 4.a3. I know from experience, from both sides of the board. You see, I have tried the WRG myself a few times, long before you did.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #29 - 12/16/10 at 04:56:42
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I never said the WRG was inferior. You said it, MNb, not me.

As for a boring game, let me point out that in Winckelmann-Knudsen, both opponents knew the best moves. But then, this is correspondence, not over-the-board chess. I assure you, in OTB chess, with no computer to help you, things are much more lively!
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #28 - 12/16/10 at 02:19:14
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Yeah, I don't get it. Isn't e5 just a regular Winawer?
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #27 - 12/15/10 at 19:00:29
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Then, unless you want to contradict yourself, the WRG is inferior to the main line 4.e5 Ne7 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5. 
So there is no need to risk a pawn in your opinion, especially as it may lead to a boring game (see Winckelman-Knudsen above). The main line 4.e5 is never dull.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #26 - 12/15/10 at 17:01:19
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I have to agree with this assessment. The move 5...Ne7 just avoids the WRG, but 6 e5 is good for White.
  
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Reply #25 - 12/02/10 at 12:36:27
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I don't like the idea to prevent the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit by making the second best move 5...Ne7. Apart from 6.e5 +=/= leading to the normal Winawer positions White can also try to get a more open position for his bishops with 6.Bd3 c5 7.exd5.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #24 - 12/01/10 at 10:41:25
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Jokes aside, if Black can equalize by declining the gambit then that greatly reduces the practical advantages of playing the variation. 


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