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Re: C15: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit vs French Defence
Reply #68 - 01/09/12 at 18:49:26
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I am playing a correspondence game with the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit, 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3!  My opponent answered 6...c5!? and the game is still in progress.
I have a Bishop for three pawns, with Rooks on the board. Will let you know the game score once I am finished playing.

By the way, I recently purchased the second volume of Winckelmann-Reimer-Gambit (1998) by Thomas Winckelmann. It is an updated and expanded edition of the 1995 edition.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #67 - 04/27/11 at 11:35:46
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Black has 7...Qa5. It doesn't transpose though to the Anti-Geller 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Qg4 cxd4 8.Bd3 Qa5, which is superior to Qc7.
  

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Reply #66 - 04/27/11 at 07:24:33
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Not to be forgotten: Geller's gambit 7.e5 after 5..Ne7 6.Bd3 c5 ... which in fact is position of the PP Winawer line after 7... Qc7 8.Qg4
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #65 - 04/27/11 at 07:07:53
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MNb wrote on 04/24/11 at 21:37:37:
MNb wrote on 03/09/11 at 14:10:37:
After 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 Moskalenko in the Wonderful Winawer gives 6.Bd3 c5 7.exd5 exd5 (Nxd5 8.Qg4) 8.dxc5 with some advantage, Kuzmin-Chernin, USSR 1984.


I have recorded:

8.dxc5 Nd7! 9.Be3 Qc7 (9...Qa5  10.Ne2 Nxc5 11.oo oo 12.Qb1 Ne4 13.c4 Nf5 14.cxd5 Nxe3 15.fxe3 Qc5 16.Bxe4 Qxe3+ 17.Rf2 Qxe4 18.Nf4 b6 19.Qb4 Re8 20.Re2 Qxb4 Anjuhin-Shalaev,Novaya Ladoga  2008 1-0) 10.Qg4 Nxc5 11.Qxg7 Nxd3+ 12.cxd3 Rg8=

   looks like an easy draw for Black if he chooses to play with Qc7  (for Qa5,not so easy because White has one common idea to play Qb4 after Qb1, with the idea of pressure on b file and improving structure if Black dares to play Qxb4). At the end, White queen caanot leaves the c3-h8  diagonal then rook moves along the g file is enough)

8.dxc5 Qa5 9.Ne2 Nd7 and here White can transposes to the IM game quoted above. 

For  10.Rb1  see Berg-Hansen,Taastrup 1990 (Tiemann) Sariego-Arencibia,Bayamo 1990 (Watson)  and Djuric, Stefan-Fraser Mitchell, J.M. Genova ITA, 7th Open 
1-0 Genova ITA, Round 1 20030802 ; Plachetka, Jan-Dvorak, Jan Stare Mesto CZE, Open 2005 
1-0 Stare Mesto CZE Round 7 20050817
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #64 - 04/25/11 at 00:37:07
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MNb wrote on 04/24/11 at 21:37:37:
MNb wrote on 03/09/11 at 14:10:37:
After 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 Moskalenko in the Wonderful Winawer gives 6.Bd3 c5 7.exd5 exd5 (Nxd5 8.Qg4) 8.dxc5 with some advantage, Kuzmin-Chernin, USSR 1984.


Well, I do not think that white is better here, after 8.dxc5 I think black is equal and I like his position
Simply 5. ...Ne7!
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #63 - 04/24/11 at 22:02:35
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I notice that Nunn thought 8...Qa5 9. Ne2 Nd7 (iso Chernin's 9...0-0) to be unclear.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #62 - 04/24/11 at 21:37:37
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MNb wrote on 03/09/11 at 14:10:37:
After 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 Moskalenko in the Wonderful Winawer gives 6.Bd3 c5 7.exd5 exd5 (Nxd5 8.Qg4) 8.dxc5 with some advantage, Kuzmin-Chernin, USSR 1984.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #61 - 04/24/11 at 20:25:29
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With black I play 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3 5.bxc3 Ne7

Even the WRG is objective =+ or = if Black knows what to do, I do not understand why I should learn this stuff ...

6.e5 is the mainline
6.Bd3 seems to be no problem for black

Are there any disadvantages for black with 5. ...Ne7?
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #60 - 03/10/11 at 10:51:24
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flaviddude wrote on 03/10/11 at 05:44:29:
Hi I hope that you all noted that Tom Winkelmann had a tremendous result in the 37th ICCF world Correspondence Championship.


I did. Perhaps his result was because he didn't play his own gambit.
The structure of the site looks fine.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #59 - 03/10/11 at 05:44:29
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Hi I hope that you all noted that Tom Winkelmann had a tremendous result in the 37th ICCF world Correspondence Championship.
  

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Reply #58 - 03/10/11 at 05:42:58
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web site has a .org suffix not a .com suffix.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #57 - 03/10/11 at 05:41:40
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flaviddude wrote on 03/08/11 at 10:33:54:
I plan to reinstate the web site and database of games as follows.



    [LI] purchase a new web site - 23.3.2011[/LI]
    [LI] put existing website onto new web site 30.3.2011[/LI]
    [LI] update website with all new games that I can find 7.4.2011[/LI]
    [LI] rebuild web site using CSS scripts so that it looks much more modern 31.5.2011 [/LI]




Website purchased http://www.winkelmannreimergambit.com It may be a few days before this appears on search engines

Existing website uploaded.

I have found many more games to add and then I must clean up the database. 

Do not hesitate to send me new games to davidflude@pacific.net.au   

  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #56 - 03/09/11 at 20:26:11
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Sure I will give him all the time he needs, like I gave it to you. I am a patient guy. Be sure I will visit his website.
Regarding the "correct play" argument - you are right. But it isn't by far enough reason to "shut up those who say 6...c5 and 6...Bd7 are refutations." I certainly won't.
Personally I very much like the manoeuvre Bc8-d7-c6xe4-g6 - easy to remember as well. Possibly White has to trow Rb1 somewhere. Retreating the Bishop to c6 is also possible. Compared to the Euwe Defence of the BDG White's King's Knight is badly placed. To organize the Studier Attack (Qd1-e1-h4 etc.) it has to retreat to f3, when White has lost several tempi.
6...c5 is more complicated.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #55 - 03/09/11 at 17:43:49
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I can find the games, just don't have enough time to post them here. Not sure if 7 Qd2 is the correct move here, though. As for correct play, well, in OTB  chess that does not occur often, so White has chances. Correspondence is something else, when players can ask computers for answers.

Flude should be able to post stuff soon enough. Give him time.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #54 - 03/09/11 at 14:10:37
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Gambit wrote on 03/09/11 at 03:32:07:
See if you can shut up these who say 6...c5 and 6...Bd7 are "refutations" of the WRG.

Because you can't? Btw I would be glad to get shut up, as I would like to play the WRG. In fact I played it long before you had even heard of it. I just don't close my eyes like you do for the fact that with correct play both 6...c5 and 6...Bd7 gives Black some advantage. Unless someone (apparently that won't be you) shows up with an improvement of course.

Regarding that game Schmid-Magnussen, Black should not have taken the pawn on f3, something you failed to notice.



Sprotte,N (2225) - Kraemer,S [C15]
Bad Aibling op 46th Bad Aibling (2), 1997

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Qd2 Nc6 8.Bb2 Nf6 9.0-0-0 Qa5 10.Qg5 0-0 11.dxc5 Nd7 12.c4 f6 13.Qe3 Nxc5 14.fxe4 e5 15.Rd5 b6 16.Nf3 Ne7 17.Rd1 Be6 18.h3 Rfd8 19.Be2 Qa4 20.Nd2 Nc6 21.g4 Nd4 22.Bxd4 exd4 23.Qg3 d3 24.cxd3 Qxa3+ 25.Kc2 Qa2+ 26.Kc1 Na4 27.Rdf1 Qb2+ 28.Kd1 Nc3+ 29.Ke1 Qxd2+ 0-1

Anther notable game:

Moser,E (2223) - Jurek,J (2336) [C15]
Danube op-8 Aschach (7), 30.12.1999

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.Bb2 Nbd7 9.0-0-0 0-0 10.Qe1 Qc7 11.Nh3 e3 12.Qxe3 Nd5 13.Qe4 c4 14.Re1 b5 15.Ng5 N7f6 16.Qh4 a5 17.Ne4 b4 18.Qg3 Qc6 19.Qd6 Qxd6 20.Nxd6 bxc3 21.Ba1 Ba6 22.Bxc4 Bxc4 23.Nxc4 Rab8 24.g3 a4 25.Kd1 Rfc8 26.Ne5 Ne3+ 27.Kc1 Nfd5 28.Re2 Rb7 29.Rhe1 Nf5 30.Re4 Rcb8 0-1

It looks like David Flude has some work to do before fulfilling your wish.

I have some good news for you as well. After 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 Moskalenko in the Wonderful Winawer gives 6.Bd3 c5 7.exd5 exd5 (Nxd5 8.Qg4) 8.dxc5 with some advantage, Kuzmin-Chernin, USSR 1984.

Gambit wrote on 12/15/10 at 17:01:19:
I have to agree with this assessment. The move 5...Ne7 just avoids the WRG, but 6 e5 is good for White.

So White better should follow Hehmer's advise than yours.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #53 - 03/09/11 at 03:32:07
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Sounds good! Use chesslive.de database. See if you can shut up these who say 6...c5 and 6...Bd7 are "refutations" of the WRG. I shut up 6...b6 some time earlier.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #52 - 03/08/11 at 10:33:54
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I plan to reinstate the web site and database of games as follows.



    [LI] purchase a new web site - 23.3.2011[/LI]
    [LI] put existing website onto new web site 30.3.2011[/LI]
    [LI] update website with all new games that I can find 7.4.2011[/LI]
    [LI] rebuild web site using CSS scripts so that it looks much more modern 31.5.2011 [/LI]


  

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Reply #51 - 03/08/11 at 10:22:41
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flaviddude wrote on 03/08/11 at 09:47:33:
I had a website on this gambit which was lost. Fortunately I have now been able to recover all the files using http://warrick.cs.odu.edu/new.html. This was absolutely magic as it recovered the information from the various search engines even though the website was irrevocably lost. The system takes some weeks to recover a web site.

The database is now well and truly out of date and at present I am too busy to update it although that may change later in the year.

  

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I had a website on this gambit which was lost. Fortunately I have now been able to recover all the files using http://warrick.cs.odu.edu/new.html. This was absolutely magic as it recovered the information from the various search engines even though the website was irrevocably lost. The system takes some weeks to recover a web site.

The database is now well and truly out of date and at present I am too busy to update it although that may change later in the year.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #49 - 03/03/11 at 04:00:56
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Against 6...c5 I found a number of games.

Schmid (2258)  - Magnussen(2063), Bargteide Open, 2010, saw White employ 7 Qd2!? and 000 to win the game later on.

Leisebein - Kraemer, correspondence 2005, saw 7 Bf4!? which led to a short draw. After 7 Bf4!? Winckelmann-Von Zitzewitz, correspondence 1999, was drawn after a long fight in the endgame.

There are other games too, but I had not the time to copy them over here.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #48 - 01/11/11 at 07:09:53
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Yes, 7 Bb5+ and 7 Nh3! both look like nice ideas against the 6...b6 lines. It is what Winckelmann recommends in his 1995 book.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #47 - 01/10/11 at 15:59:33
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Gambit wrote on 01/10/11 at 05:03:05:
Okay, time to reply to a previous query here!

Recently I was asked what to do if after 1 d4 e6 2 e4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 Black played 6... b6 ? The answer is given in the game below.

Zilbermints - Chathurang
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7 Nh3! Bb7 8 Bb5+ c6 9 Bc4 exf3 10 Qxf3 Nf6 11 00 00 12 Bg5 Nbd7 13 Bd3 h6 14 Qg3! hxg5 15 Nxg5 Qb8 16 Qh4 Rd8 17 Rf3 Kf8 18 Qh8+ Ke7 19 Qxg7 Rf8 20 Raf1 Nh5?? 21 Rxf7+ , Black resigns.


I don't think 14.Qg3 deserves an exclam. 15...Qe7 16.Qh4 g6 idea 17...Kg7 is much better and probably winning. Give Black 10 minutes more and he finds it.

Of course White's setup doesn't work against 6...Bd7 evt. 7...Bc6, so this is probably superior.

It's true though that the Bb5+ idea is nice against 6...b6.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #46 - 01/10/11 at 05:03:05
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Okay, time to reply to a previous query here!

Recently I was asked what to do if after 1 d4 e6 2 e4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 Black played 6... b6 ? The answer is given in the game below.

Zilbermints - Chathurang
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7 Nh3! Bb7 8 Bb5+ c6 9 Bc4 exf3 10 Qxf3 Nf6 11 00 00 12 Bg5 Nbd7 13 Bd3 h6 14 Qg3! hxg5 15 Nxg5 Qb8 16 Qh4 Rd8 17 Rf3 Kf8 18 Qh8+ Ke7 19 Qxg7 Rf8 20 Raf1 Nh5?? 21 Rxf7+ , Black resigns.
  
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Reply #45 - 01/07/11 at 04:17:41
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Ha-ha-ha!! LOL!!  Grin
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #44 - 01/05/11 at 16:41:24
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MNb wrote on 01/05/11 at 12:54:14:

W means Women.



Women cannot be because the Black player in this game is Ulrich Dirr, the co-author of Kindermanns "Französisch - Winawer 7.Qg4 0-0". He is definitely male.  Wink
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #43 - 01/05/11 at 16:37:45
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MNb wrote on 01/05/11 at 12:54:14:
Gambit wrote on 01/05/11 at 05:24:45:
I take it the game you give is correspondence, where computers are used?

AUTchT2W 9899 
AUT is the abbrevation of Autriche, which is French for Austria.
ch means championship.
T means Teams.
2 means second division.
W means Women.
9899 means season 1998-1999.



W means West  Wink
  
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Reply #42 - 01/05/11 at 12:54:14
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Gambit wrote on 01/05/11 at 05:24:45:
I take it the game you give is correspondence, where computers are used?

If yes, so what? Are the moves not valid then?

But I will spell it for you, Lev.

AUTchT2W 9899
AUT is the abbrevation of Autriche, which is French for Austria.
ch means championship.
T means Teams.
2 means second division.
W means Women.
9899 means season 1998-1999.

So your question is double nonsense.

I stand corrected. Thanks.
(see the next two posts)
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Gambit wrote on 01/03/11 at 19:02:52:
The response 6...e5 is not to be feared. I have played 7 Be3! here, with good results.


I've played 7.Be3 a lot too but what should White do after 7...Nh6?


Maybe the queenless middlegame after 8.fxe4 Qh4+ 9.Kd2 Qxe4 10.Qf3 Qxf3 11.Nxf3 is not too bad for White with the centralized King and the two Bishops. 11...e4 can then be answered with 12.Bxh6 gxh6 (12...exf3 13.Bf4!) 13.Re1 f5 14.g4!? O-O 15.Ne5 
  
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Gambit wrote on 01/03/11 at 19:02:52:
The response 6...e5 is not to be feared. I have played 7 Be3! here, with good results.


I've played 7.Be3 a lot too but what should White do after 7...Nh6?
  
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I take it the game you give is correspondence, where computers are used?
  
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Reply #38 - 01/04/11 at 20:19:50
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7.Bb5+ is a logical idea; it is another argument that 6...Bd7 is better than 6...b6.
Still Bengal Tiger should not have taken on f3. That only helps to develop White's kingside.
You could have done better with 14.Ne5 idea c5 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.Be7 Re8? 17.Bxh7+.
After 15...c4 iso 15...Qc6 White will find it hard to pursue his attack. Same for 16...c4 iso 16...cxd4?? after which the standard attack wins.

Doskocil,K (2180) - Dirr,U (2275) [C15]
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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 b6 7.Bb5+ c6 8.Bc4 Bb7 9.Qe2 c5 10.Bf4 cxd4 11.fxe4 Nc6 12.Nf3 Nge7 13.0-0 Ng6 14.Bg3 0-0 15.Rad1 e5 16.h4 Qe7 17.h5 Nf4 18.Bxf4 exf4 19.cxd4 Qxa3 20.Rd3 Qe7 21.c3 Na5 22.Ba2 Qxe4 23.Qc2 Qf5 24.Ne5 Be4 25.g4 Qg5 26.Qe2 Bxd3 27.Qxd3 Rae8 28.Qe4 Rxe5 29.Qxe5 Qxg4+ 30.Kh1 Qh3+ 31.Kg1 Qg3+ 32.Kh1 Qh3+ 33.Kg1 f3 0-1
  

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1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 b6 7 Bb5 c6 8 Bc4 Bb7 9 Qe2 ef3 10 Nxf3 Nf6 11 00 00 12 Bd3 Nbd7 13 Bg5 Bc7 14 Qf2 c5 15 Qh4 Qc6 16 Rae1 cxd4 17 cxd4 Qd5 18 c4 Qc6 19 Rf2 Ba6 20 Ne5! 1-0,
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Gambit wrote on 12/31/10 at 06:00:15:
I will search my games and post them here.


Still searching, Lev?
Or don't you want to post games you've lost against 6...c5; 6...b6; and 6...Bd7; ?
  

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The response 6...e5 is not to be feared. I have played 7 Be3! here, with good results.
  
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MNb wrote on 12/18/10 at 21:44:29:
Brilliant answer, Lev. Never let logic get in the way of your opinions.
Anyhow, already met 6...c5, 6...Bd7 and/or 6...b6 ?


Those all look like good defences to me, but isn't 6...e5 really good too?  I know this move has been brought up before but did anyone propose some good White tries?  I've played this gambit quite a few times in blitz myself but never really thought it was completely sound.
  
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Brilliant answer, Lev. Never let logic get in the way of your opinions.
Anyhow, already met 6...c5, 6...Bd7 and/or 6...b6 ?
  

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To you it is inferior. Not to me.
  
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Gambit wrote on 12/16/10 at 04:56:42:
I never said the WRG was inferior. You said it, MNb, not me.

No, logic never has been your forte. Let me try to explain it once again. You say 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Ne7 6.e5 is good for White. Right? That means 4.e5 Ne7 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 is also good for White. Right? Now the latter does not offer a pawn. Right? So the latter is better than the first. In other words, 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 is inferior.
And I assure you, that OTB and in corr chess, computer or no computer, play after 4.e5 is even more lively than after 4.a3. I know from experience, from both sides of the board. You see, I have tried the WRG myself a few times, long before you did.
  

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I never said the WRG was inferior. You said it, MNb, not me.

As for a boring game, let me point out that in Winckelmann-Knudsen, both opponents knew the best moves. But then, this is correspondence, not over-the-board chess. I assure you, in OTB chess, with no computer to help you, things are much more lively!
  
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Yeah, I don't get it. Isn't e5 just a regular Winawer?
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Then, unless you want to contradict yourself, the WRG is inferior to the main line 4.e5 Ne7 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5. 
So there is no need to risk a pawn in your opinion, especially as it may lead to a boring game (see Winckelman-Knudsen above). The main line 4.e5 is never dull.
  

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I have to agree with this assessment. The move 5...Ne7 just avoids the WRG, but 6 e5 is good for White.
  
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I don't like the idea to prevent the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit by making the second best move 5...Ne7. Apart from 6.e5 +=/= leading to the normal Winawer positions White can also try to get a more open position for his bishops with 6.Bd3 c5 7.exd5.
  
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Jokes aside, if Black can equalize by declining the gambit then that greatly reduces the practical advantages of playing the variation. 


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I don't care what the detractors say. I am going to play the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit in over-the-board chess and win tons of games with it!


Well ... thats fine. But thats not the point. The point is if the line is good or not. So the question is, would you play the line when you're opponent knows that you will play this line in the next game vs him. 

To play an offbeat gambit where you know the theory and the opponent doesn't, and afterwards claim about "practical chances" is - sorry - just nuts. The "practical chances" of an opening are revealed, when you play vs someone who knows the theory as good as you do. Otherwise it just a matter of "I know something that you don't." Which is quite a different thing.

And - btw - I play the french and I got a score of (I guess) about 80% with black vs that line. I just simply don't play 5...dxe4, but 5...Ne7. Usually then it is all over with gambitting. And I outplay all those gambitteers in a "normal" french position. 

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I have a few old games with WRG, although my opponents were very weak. As for Miladinovic, I reported him to ICC complaint. Back came the response that he was being rude and a few tips (including censoring) to dealing with this.
  
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LDZ, wake me up if someone plays 6...c5 or 6...Bd7 against you. Your hero Winckelmann recently ended second in the ICCF-WCh. He apparently isn't so afraid of computers as you are. The last time he played his gambit seems to be 2001; an eventless draw in 17 moves.

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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 e5 7.Bb5+ c6 8.Bc4 exd4 9.cxd4 Qh4+ 10.g3 Qe7 11.Qe2 Bf5 12.a4 Nf6 13.Ba3 Qc7 14.fxe4 Qa5+ 15.Kf2 Nxe4+ 16.Kg2 Nd7 17.Nf3 ½-½

Still congratulations with your nice performance, albeit I would be much more impressed if it were a game with classical time control.
  

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TN wrote on 11/25/10 at 06:54:04:
Gambit wrote on 11/25/10 at 04:28:56:
On 22 November 2010, I had the pleasure of playing Serbian Grandmaster Igor Miladinovic on the Internet Chess Club. I crushed him 3-0 in our games. He was so upset that he accused me of using Fritz or Rybka to help me play! In his opinion, the speed and tactics I was playing indicated not 2148 ICC but 2700+ level play! When I said that I do not use any engines, just my brain, the GM still did not believe me. He said he'd report me to ICC administrators. I said, "Go ahead, but you will find that I beat titled players regularly."
I promised to send him my blitz game against GM Leonid Yudasin, which I drew (a Hubsch Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 e4 Nxe4 4 Nxe4 dxe4 5 Bc4).

Zilbermints ( 2027 FIDE, 2148 ICC) - GM  Igor Miladinovic (2608 FIDE,  3028 ICC)
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  French Defence
Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit

1 d4 d5 2 e4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3+ 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 Nf6?!

Now White gets the edge rather quickly.

7 fxe4! Nxe4 8 Qg4! Nf6 9 Qg3! c5 10 Nf3 Nc6 11 Be3 cxd4 12 cxd4 Qa5+ 13 Bd2 Qa4?? 14 Qxg7 Rg8
15 Qxf6 Qxc2 16 Qf4 Qxc2 17 Rc1 Qa2 18 Ng5 e5 19 dxe5, Black resigns

For the BDG game against Miladinovic please see BDG postings by me.


I don't understand why a player would get so heated over an unrated blitz game. I'll warn you though, ICC has a reputation for wrongly identifying players as cheats when they are innocent. Some of my friends have been wrongly accused and have wisely switched to Playchess.


There's something wrong with the game record: Black plays Qxc2 twice.

The W-R has a reasonable positional basis, namely the gaining of the two bishops and the rapid opening up of the game to enable their exploitation. The problem is the loss of time involved in making so many non-developing pawn moves in the opening, which explains why there are several ways for Black to at least equalize. But, as Joe Gallagher wrote, "it's good to have a pet" and in the end we will all believe what we want to believe and we'll go our separate ways.

Sorry Lev, I don't regard White's play in this game as 2700 level. Rather Black completely messes up, dropping a piece in the opening. In the end it's just a blitz game, a bit of fun that proves nothing, except perhaps that aggression, initiative and surprise can be powerful weapons, and the faster the time limit the more this holds true, and the less "soundness" matters.
  
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Gambit wrote on 11/25/10 at 04:28:56:
On 22 November 2010, I had the pleasure of playing Serbian Grandmaster Igor Miladinovic on the Internet Chess Club. I crushed him 3-0 in our games. He was so upset that he accused me of using Fritz or Rybka to help me play! In his opinion, the speed and tactics I was playing indicated not 2148 ICC but 2700+ level play! When I said that I do not use any engines, just my brain, the GM still did not believe me. He said he'd report me to ICC administrators. I said, "Go ahead, but you will find that I beat titled players regularly."
I promised to send him my blitz game against GM Leonid Yudasin, which I drew (a Hubsch Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 e4 Nxe4 4 Nxe4 dxe4 5 Bc4).

Zilbermints ( 2027 FIDE, 2148 ICC) - GM  Igor Miladinovic (2608 FIDE,  3028 ICC)
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  French Defence
Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit

1 d4 d5 2 e4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3+ 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 Nf6?!

Now White gets the edge rather quickly.

7 fxe4! Nxe4 8 Qg4! Nf6 9 Qg3! c5 10 Nf3 Nc6 11 Be3 cxd4 12 cxd4 Qa5+ 13 Bd2 Qa4?? 14 Qxg7 Rg8
15 Qxf6 Qxc2 16 Qf4 Qxc2 17 Rc1 Qa2 18 Ng5 e5 19 dxe5, Black resigns

For the BDG game against Miladinovic please see BDG postings by me.


I don't understand why a player would get so heated over an unrated blitz game. I'll warn you though, ICC has a reputation for wrongly identifying players as cheats when they are innocent. Some of my friends have been wrongly accused and have wisely switched to Playchess.
  

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On 22 November 2010, I had the pleasure of playing Serbian Grandmaster Igor Miladinovic on the Internet Chess Club. I crushed him 3-0 in our games. He was so upset that he accused me of using Fritz or Rybka to help me play! In his opinion, the speed and tactics I was playing indicated not 2148 ICC but 2700+ level play! When I said that I do not use any engines, just my brain, the GM still did not believe me. He said he'd report me to ICC administrators. I said, "Go ahead, but you will find that I beat titled players regularly."
I promised to send him my blitz game against GM Leonid Yudasin, which I drew (a Hubsch Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 e4 Nxe4 4 Nxe4 dxe4 5 Bc4).

Zilbermints ( 2027 FIDE, 2148 ICC) - GM  Igor Miladinovic (2608 FIDE,  3028 ICC)
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22 November 2010

  French Defence
Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit

1 d4 d5 2 e4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3+ 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3 Nf6?!

Now White gets the edge rather quickly.

7 fxe4! Nxe4 8 Qg4! Nf6 9 Qg3! c5 10 Nf3 Nc6 11 Be3 cxd4 12 cxd4 Qa5+ 13 Bd2 Qa4?? 14 Qxg7 Rg8
15 Qxf6 Qxc2 16 Qf4 Bd7 17 Rc1 Qa2 18 Ng5 e5 19 dxe5, Black resigns

For the BDG game against Miladinovic please see BDG postings by me.
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Konstriktor wrote on 10/28/10 at 12:13:03:
Who or what is LDZ?


Lev Zilbermints, the man of 1000 Gambits.

My favorite LDZ lines: 1.f4 h6!? & "This Isn't Dunkin Donuts!!"
  
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I suppose that there is not really much difference between 6...b6 7.Nh3 Bb7 8.fxe4 Bxe4 9.Ng5 and 6...Bd7 7.Nh3 Bc6 8.fxe4 Bxe4 9.Ng5. In some lines it might work in Black's advantage though, if (s)he wants to castle queenside.
Eg (compare underneath) 6...Bd7 7.Nh3 Bc6 8.fxe4 Bxe4 9.Ng5 Bc6 10.Qh5 Qe7 11.Qh3 Nf6 12.Bd3 Nbd7 13.0-0 0-0-0 and I don't see White's attack.

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6...b6 7 Nh3! Bb7 8 fxe4 Be4 9 Ng5 Bc6 10 Bc4?! Bxg2 11 Qg4 Bh1?! 12 Nf7 Kf7? 13 Qe6+ Kf8 14 Qf7 mate, Winckelmann-Brinkmann, blitzpartie, 1995.

11...Bd5 and White has nothing. 10.Qh5 is an improvement for White (unlike you I try to be objective).

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6...b6 7 Nh3 Bb7 8 fxe4 Be4 9 Ng5 Bg6 10 Bd3 Nf6 11 00 Nbd7 12 Bf4 Bxd3 13 Qxd3 h6 14 Qh3 Nf8 15 Be5 Ng6 16 Nxe6!! fxe6 17 Qxe6+ Qe7 18 Qc6+ Kf7 19 Rae1! +- 1-0/30, Winckelmann-Gaard Schweden, corr. 1993
14...Qe7 is quite better.
  

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How is 6...Bd7 and ...Bc6 holding up? I though that was quite a neat idea when I first saw it, just pretending it's a Fort Knox. In one recent otb game Kislov-Khamitsky 2006 (quoted by MNb above), White played 7.Qd2 Bc6 8.Qf2, but that can't possibly be critical.
  

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Reply #14 - 10/29/10 at 21:08:44
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Winckelmann gives plenty of ideas against 6...c5 in his book, Das Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit I (1995). I just don't have the time to type in the games. But here are a few:

Winckelmann-Leisebein, corres. 1992
Gauss-Lehmann, corres. 1994
Gauss-Thanner, corres. 1994
Winckelmann-Behrendorf, corres. 1991

Your precious computer can help you locate these games. After all, you ask it for all the answers with regards to analyses, don't you, MNb?
  
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Gambit wrote on 10/29/10 at 19:37:37:
I am going to play the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit in over-the-board chess and win tons of games with it!

That's because your opponents don't know their theory. If they do and if they have the skills to exploit the opening advantage you will get creamed.
You know this or you would not have called 6...c5 "yellow". You always do when some defence proves to be strong.
In the meantime I will be waiting for your brilliant ideas after 6...c5 to come, which, just like in ...c6 vs. the BDG, probably will be when the cows come home.
  

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Gambit wrote on 10/29/10 at 19:37:37:

I don't care what the detractors say. I am going to play the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit in over-the-board chess and win tons of games with it!


But that only says how reliable the opening is, for you, at your level of play- which actually says little about how theoretically good it is.  Unsound-but-trappy openings have a habit of winning a lot of games in the hands of aggressive gambiteers, particularly in blitz & rapid games.

After 6...c5 and possibly 6...e5 Black seems to be =+ in all lines.
  
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Winckelmann excepted, many White players did not play well. In two games Moser played, Blacked avoided the gambit with 11...e3? but won because White played badly later.

As for theory, yes there is theory, like in every other opening. Sources are Das Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit I (1995) II (1998) and Schach-Archive #46.
In the last one, Grandmaster Lev Gutman does the analyses.

To win with the WRG, you have to know the opening inside out, and then some. When you do not know it well, you lose. Christ, that's how I first learned the BDG, back in 1991! It was awhile before I started beating Masters with it regularly, but I did, eventually.
The same holds true for the WRG, King's Gambit, and any other opening.

Computer is all very good, but in over-the-board games you do not have the benefit of computer assistance. Also, when you play 1 e4, you have no idea what the opening will be: Caro-Kann, Sicilian, Pirc, Latvian Gambit or French Defense. So, if the White player is well-prepared, he can win with the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit.

Finally, in Das WRG I (1995) Winckelmann gives a number of games against Fritz 2 and Pentium computers. Both of these chess engines, strong at the time, lost to the WRG!

I don't care what the detractors say. I am going to play the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit in over-the-board chess and win tons of games with it!
  
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Included Winckelmann himself when he lost? Cheesy And there is no theory. Strong analysts (computer added) does the theory here.
  
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6...Nd7 7 Nh3! and now:

7...exf3 8 Qxf3

7...Ngf6 8 Nf2 ef3 9 Qf3 00 10 Bd3

6...b6 7 Nh3! Bb7 8 fxe4 Be4 9 Ng5 Bc6 10 Bc4?! Bxg2 11 Qg4 Bh1?! 12 Nf7 Kf7? 13 Qe6+ Kf8 14 Qf7 mate, Winckelmann-Brinkmann, blitzpartie, 1995

6...b6 7 Nh3 Bb7 8 fxe4 Be4 9 Ng5 Bg6 10 Bd3 Nf6 11 00 Nbd7 12 Bf4 Bxd3 13 Qxd3 h6 14 Qh3 Nf8 15 Be5 Ng6 16 Nxe6!! fxe6 17 Qxe6+ Qe7 18 Qc6+ Kf7 19 Rae1! +- 1-0/30, Winckelmann-Gaard Schweden, corr. 1993  

My opinion is that the players having the White pieces in the WRG games you posted did not know the theory.
  
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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
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Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 17:05:19:
draw, Oller-Reichert, correspondence 1993.

Really the "best" way to beat 3...Bb4 ...

a) 6...c5 7.Be2 Nc6 8.fxe4 cxd4 9.Nf3 dxc3 10.Bd3 and White did not beat the Winawer either in Hector-Brinck Claussen, Copenhagen 1997. Black can improve with Qb6 11.Qe2 Nf6 12.Be3 Qc7 13.0-0 Bd7. The WRG lost in Ceteras-Fuhr, ICCF em 2002 after 7...Nf6 8.fxe4 Nxe4 9.Qd3 Qa5 10.Bb2 f5 as Black had both the pawn and the compensation thanks to that brilliant bishop on b2.

b)7.fxe4!? Qh4+ 8.Ke2!? was very interesting for Black indeed, who won three games in my database and drew one. 8...Qxe4+ 9.Kf2 Nf6 10.Bd3 Qd5 11.Nf3 0-0 looks pretty convincing.

c)7.Bb2!? it is also interesting to place the bishop on a square where it is blocked by two pawns and blocks an halfopen file for a rook. But I have to admit, after lines like Nc6 8.dxc5 Qxd1+ 9.Rxd1 Nf6 10.Bb5 Bd7 and 8...Nf6 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.0-0-0+ Kc7 11.Bb5 e5 White has good prospects to equalize thanks to the opposite coloured bishops. With 8...Qe7 9.Qd6 Nf6 10.Rd1 Bd7 Black can play for more.

d)7.Bb5+!? 
d1)7...Kf8?! as White I drew once after this move against a stronger opponent (Rb1 and Nf6 might have been included, I don't remember).
d2)7...Nc6 8.Rb1 Nf6 9.Qe2 cxd4 10.fxe4 0-0 11.Nf3 Qa5 12.0-0 Qxc3 13.e5 or 13.Bd2 with unclear complications. 
d3)7...Nd7 and why should the Knight be better here than on c6 ?
d4)7...Bd7 (logical and best)
d41)8.a4 Qa5! 9.Ra3 Nf6 10.fxe4 cxd4 Regnet-Boenisch, Pirmasens,1992. Black was already better.
d42)8.Rb1 Nf6 see above, Flude-Everett,2000.
d43)8.Bxd7 only helps Black to develop.
d44)8.Qe2 8.Qe2 Qa5! 9.Rb1 Qxc3+ 10.Bd2 Qxc2 11.Rc1 Qb2 12.Rxc5 Nc6 13.fxe4 Qxd4 -+Sveinsson-Viola,2000. Or 9.Bxd7+ Nxd7 10.Bd2 exf3 11.Nxf3 Ngf6 and without the King's Bishop White can't develop an attack.

e)7.Rb1 Nf6 see above, Flude-Everett,2000 and Sveinsson-Viola,2000.

Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 17:05:19:
Will post more games later.

Would be nice if it were relevant ones.

If you're ready with 6...c5, then there are 6...Nd7 and 6...b6 to consider.
To top White's problems off, Black probably can even accept: 6...exf3 7.Nxf3 Nf6 8.Bd3 b6 9.0-0 Bb7 10.Qe1 Nbd7 11.Bg5 h6 12.Qh4 Qe7 followed by castling queenside. Though personally I would never risk something like this as Black. Rather victorious than courageous.

A slightly better version for White is 6.Be3, which I have tried twice in corr. games, gaining 1½ point.
  

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Reply #6 - 10/28/10 at 17:05:19
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I think a lot of White replies were inaccurate. For instance, after 6...Nf6? 7 fxe4! Nxe4 8 Qg4 Nf6 9 Qg3! White has a good attacking position.

6...e5 7 Bc4 Qe7 8 dxe5 Qxe5 9 Qd4 Nc6 10 Qxe4 Qxe4+ 11 fxe4 Nf6 12 Ne2 Ne5 13 Bd3 c5 14 Bf4 Ng6 15 Bg5 Nd7 16 00 00 17 Nf4 Nf4 18 Bf4 Re8 19 Rad1 a6 20 Bd6 b6? 21 Bc4! 1-0, Leisebein-Reichert, correspondence 1992.

6...e5 7 Qe2 ed4 8 Qe4 Qe7 9 cxd4 Bf5 10 Qe7 Nxe7 11 c3 00 12 Bc4 Nd7 13 Bf4 Nb6 14 Bb3 Ned5
15 Bd2 Rfe8 16 Kf2 Bd3 17 Rd1 Bc4 18 Bc2 Re7 19 Be4 Rae8 20 Nh3!? Nf6 21 Bxb7 Re2+ 22 Kg3 Bb3 23 Bc6 draw, Oller-Reichert, correspondence 1993.

6...c5 and now Winckelmann gives:

a) 7 Be2!
b) 7 fxe4!? Qh4+ 8 Ke2!? 
c) 7 Bb2!?
d) 7 Bb5+!? 
d1) 7...Kf8?!
d2) 7...Nc6
d3) 7...Nd7
d4) 7...Bd7
d41) 8 a4
d42) 8 Rb1
d43) 8 Bxd7
d44) 8 Qe2
d5)   8 Rb1

Will post more games later.

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Konstriktor wrote on 10/28/10 at 12:13:03:
Who or what is LDZ?


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John Watson's review of "Four Gambits to Beat the French" gives some pointers, including 6...e5 and 6...Nd7 as well (though I don't agree with him that the WRG is the best of the four gambits, in my opinion the Milner-Barry, though still unsound, gives slightly better practical chances than the WRG).
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/jwatson13.html

I may have mentioned this earlier, but after 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4, 6.Qg4 here is both sound and slightly offbeat.
  
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TN wrote on 10/28/10 at 02:37:51:
How many of these 'refutations' have been played in practice since, and were they effective in the relevant games played?

All of them, Winckelman used to organize many thematic corr. tournaments. The answer is no.
There used to be a website on this gambit, which I typically can't refind, with the games of these tournaments in a downloadable database. Some of the games were annotated by Winckelman. He had to turn to obscure moves like 7.Bb2, 7.Qd2 and 7.Qe2 to keep his idea alive.
I had that db on my computer, but lost it. Fortunately I still have a few notes.
7.Bb5+ Bd7 8.a4 Qa5 9.Ra3 e3 -+ and 8.Qe2 Qa5 9.Rb1 Qxc3+ 10.Bd2 Qxc2 11.Rc1 Qb2 12.Rxc5 Nc6 13.fxe4 Qxd4 Sveinsson-Viola,2000.
7.Rb1 Nf6 8.Bb5+ Bd7 9.Qe2 cxd4 10.fxe4 Nc6 11.Nf3 dxc3 12.0-0 Qc7 13.e5 Nd5 14.Ng5 Qxe5 -+Flude-Everett,2000.

Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 07:00:13:
yellow 6...c5 move.

Here goes LDZ again. Black finds a strong defensive move and so in LDZ's world it is yellow.
  

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Re: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit versus French Defence
Reply #1 - 10/28/10 at 10:09:37
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Grabarczyk,B (2365) - Gdanski,J (2485) [C15]
POL-chT Lubniewice, 1993

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 e5 7.Be3 exd4 8.cxd4 Nh6 9.fxe4 Qh4+ 10.Kd2 Qxe4 11.Nf3 Nf5 12.Bb5+ Nc6 13.Re1 0-0 14.c3 Nxe3 15.Rxe3 Qf4 16.Qf1 Na5 17.Rb1 Be6 18.g3 Qd6 19.Bd3 h6 20.Re5 Qxa3 21.Reb5 b6 22.Ne5 Qd6 23.Qe2 c6 24.R5b2 Rab8 25.g4 c5 26.g5 cxd4 27.cxd4 f6 28.Ng6 fxg5 29.Nxf8 Kxf8 30.Rb4 Qf4+ 31.Kc2 Bg4 32.Qe5 0-1

Thiel,T (2265) - Schaefer,M (2455) [C15]
Muenster op Muenster (4), 1993

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Bb5+ Bd7 8.Bxd7+ Nxd7 9.Qe2 exf3 10.Nxf3 Ngf6 11.0-0 0-0 12.Bg5 Qc7 13.Ne5 cxd4 14.Bxf6 Nxf6 15.cxd4 Nd7 16.Nxd7 Qxd7 17.Rf4 Rac8 18.Raf1 Rc3 19.R1f3 Qc6 20.Qf1 Rxf3 21.Qxf3 Qxc2 22.Qxb7 Qc1+ 23.Rf1 Qe3+ 0-1


Velicka,P (2425) - Babula,V (2530) [C15]
CZE-chT 9495 (1), 1995

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Be3 Qa5 8.dxc5 Nc6 9.Kf2 Nf6 10.Qd6 exf3 11.gxf3 Qxc3 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.Ne2 Qe5 14.Rab1 Qxd6 15.cxd6 0-0 16.Rhg1 Rfc8 17.Bxc6 Bxc6 18.Bd4 Ne8 19.Nf4 g6 20.Nh5 Kf8 21.Nf6 Nxf6 22.Bxf6 Ke8 23.c4 b6 24.Rgc1 Kd7 25.c5 Rcb8 26.Bd4 bxc5 27.Bxc5 e5 28.h4 f5 29.Ke3 a6 30.Rb4 Rxb4 31.axb4 a5 32.Ra1 axb4 33.Rxa8 Bxa8 34.Bxb4 f4+ 35.Kf2 Ke6 36.Ba3 Bc6 37.Bb4 Kf5 38.Ba3 h6 39.Bb2 Be8 40.Ba3 Bc6 41.Bb2 Bb5 42.Bc3 Bd7 43.Bb2 g5 44.hxg5 hxg5 45.Bc3 Bc6 46.Ba5 e4 47.fxe4+ Kxe4 48.Bd8 g4 49.Bh4 Kf5 50.Ke2 Ke4 51.Kf2 Ke5 52.Bg5 g3+ 53.Kg1 f3 54.Be3 Ke4 55.Bb6 Bb5 56.d7 Bxd7 57.Kf1 Bb5+ 58.Ke1 Kf4 59.Bg1 Kg4 60.Bc5 Kh3 0-1


Keller,M (2405) - Skorna,U (2345) [C15]
corr MN/012 ICCF, 30.06.1995

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Bb5+ Bd7 8.Qe2 cxd4 9.fxe4 Qa5 10.Rb1 Qxc3+ 11.Bd2 Qc7 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.0-0 Nbc6 14.Qc4 0-0 15.Bb4 Rfc8 16.Ng5 Be8 17.Bxc6 Nxc6 18.Qxe6 h6 19.Bd6 hxg5 20.Qxe8+ Rxe8 21.Bxc7 Rac8 22.Bg3 b6 23.Rfe1 Nd8 24.Rb4 Ne6 25.Bf2 Rxc2 26.Bxd4 a5 0-1


Armanda,I (2235) - Bilobrk,F (2355) [C15]
CRO-chT2 Tucepi, 1996

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Nc6 7.Nh3 Nf6 8.Bb5 e5 9.Nf2 Qd5 10.dxe5 Qxe5 11.Bxc6+ bxc6 12.0-0 0-0 13.fxe4 Nxe4 14.Nd3 Qd5 15.Qe1 f5 16.Rf3 g5 17.Rb1 h6 18.Rb4 c5 19.c4 Qe6 20.Ra4 f4 21.Bb2 Kh7 22.Qa5 Qb6 23.Be5 Rf7 24.Qe1 Bf5 25.Ra5 Re8 26.Rb5 Qc6 27.Qa5 a6 28.Rb1 Be6 29.Nb2 Bg4 30.Nd3 Bxf3 31.gxf3 Nd6 0-1


Zelic,M (2345) - Levacic,P (2350) [C15]
CRO-chT2 Tucepi, 1996

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Bd7 7.Nh3 Bc6 8.fxe4 Bxe4 9.Ng5 Bg6 10.Rb1 Qd5 11.c4 Qc6 12.Be2 Nd7 13.0-0 h6 14.Nf3 Ngf6 15.Bf4 0-0 16.Ne5 Nxe5 17.Bxe5 Nd7 18.Bf4 Rad8 19.Rb5 Nb6 20.Rc5 Qe4 21.Rxc7 Rfe8 22.Qd3 Rd7 23.Qxe4 Bxe4 24.Rxd7 Nxd7 25.Bd3 Bc6 26.Re1 Rd8 27.c5 Nf6 28.Be5 Ne8 29.c3 Rd7 30.Be2 Nc7 31.Bxc7 Rxc7 32.Rb1 Kf8 33.Kf2 Ke7 34.g3 e5 35.Ke3 Ke6 36.Rf1 Re7 37.Bg4+ Kd5 38.Bf3+ Kc4 39.Be2+ Kxc3 40.Rc1+ Kb2 41.Rd1 exd4+ 42.Kxd4 Rxe2 0-1


Zelic,M (2345) - Krumpacnik,D (2395) [C15]
Split Postar Split, 1996

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Nc6 7.Bb5 Bd7 8.Nh3 a6 9.Bxc6 Bxc6 10.fxe4 Bxe4 11.0-0 Qd5 12.Qe2 Bf5 13.Nf4 Qe4 14.Qc4 0-0-0 15.Nd3 Qd5 16.Qxd5 Rxd5 17.Ne5 Nf6 18.Nxf7 Rf8 19.Ne5 Bxc2 20.Rf2 Be4 21.Bg5 Bf5 22.Re1 Rg8 23.Bxf6 gxf6 24.Nc4 Rg5 25.Ne3 Ra5 26.h4 Rg7 27.Nxf5 exf5 28.Re6 Rxa3 29.Rxf6 Rxc3 30.R2xf5 Rcg3 31.Rf8+ Kd7 32.Rf2 a5 33.h5 R3g4 34.h6 Re7 35.R8f7 Rxd4 36.Rg7 Rd1+ 37.Kh2 Rd6 38.Rff7 Rxh6+ 39.Kg1 Rxf7 0-1


David,A (2455) - Nikolay,L (2510) [C15]
Paris op Paris (2), 1996

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 b6 7.Nh3 Bb7 8.Bb5+ Nd7 9.fxe4 Bxe4 10.0-0 Ngf6 11.Ng5 Bg6 12.Bc6 0-0 13.c4 Rc8 14.Re1 e5 15.d5 h6 16.Nh3 Ne4 17.Bb2 Re8 18.a4 Re7 19.a5 Ndc5 20.Qf3 Qd6 21.Re3 Rf8 22.Rea3 a6 23.axb6 cxb6 24.Re3 f5 25.Ba3 Be8 26.Bxe8 Rexe8 27.Qe2 Nf6 28.Kh1 f4 29.Bxc5 bxc5 30.Rea3 Ra8 31.Nf2 Rfb8 32.Ra5 Rb4 33.Ne4 Nxe4 34.Qxe4 Rab8 35.h3 Rb1+ 36.Kh2 Rxa1 37.Rxa1 Ra8 38.Re1 0-1


Winckelmann,T (2400) - Hage,H (2407) [C15]
corr WRG Invitational SEMI, 15.09.1999

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.Bb2 0-0 9.0-0-0 Bd7 10.Nh3 Bc6 11.Ng5 Nbd7 12.Re1 exf3 13.gxf3 cxd4 14.cxd4 Rc8 15.Rg1 g6 16.Ne4 Qc7 17.Kb1 Bd5 18.Bd3 Bc4 19.Bxc4 Nxe4 20.fxe4 Qxc4 21.d5 Rc5 22.Rg3 Rfc8 23.Rc3 Qa6 24.Rxc5 Rxc5 25.dxe6 Qxe6 26.Rd1 Rc7 27.Qd5 Qxd5 28.exd5 f5 29.Bd4 Kf7 30.a4 Rc4 31.Bxa7 Rxa4 32.Bf2 Ke7 33.Kb2 Kd6 34.Kb3 b5 35.Be1 Nc5+ 36.Kb2 Na6 37.Rd3 f4 38.Rh3 h5 39.Rb3 Nc7 40.Bh4 Rd4 41.Bg5 Nxd5 42.Bh6 b4 43.Rf3 Ke5 44.Rf1 Rd2 0-1


Moser,E (2223) - Baumegger,S (2409) [C15]
AUT-ch Vienna (11), 17.08.1999

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Nd7 7.Nh3 Ndf6 8.Bc4 Bd7 9.0-0 Bc6 10.Ng5 e3 11.Bxe3 Nd5 12.Bc1 Nge7 13.Qe1 h6 14.Ne4 0-0 15.Bd3 Ng6 16.g3 Re8 17.c4 Nde7 18.Qf2 b6 19.Bb2 Qc8 20.d5 Bd7 21.dxe6 Bxe6 22.Qd4 Nf5 23.Qc3 Rd8 24.Nd6 cxd6 25.Bxf5 Qc5+ 26.Kg2 Qe5 27.Bxg6 Qxc3 28.Bxf7+ Kxf7 29.Bxc3 Rac8 30.Bd4 Rxc4 31.c3 Rdc8 32.Rfe1 a6 33.Re3 b5 34.Rae1 Re8 35.h4 Ra4 36.Ra1 Bd7 37.Rxe8 Bxe8 38.Kf2 Bc6 39.Ke3 Ke6 40.Bxg7 0-1


Moser,E (2223) - Jurek,J (2336) [C15]
Danube op-8 Aschach (7), 30.12.1999

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.Bb2 Nbd7 9.0-0-0 0-0 10.Qe1 Qc7 11.Nh3 e3 12.Qxe3 Nd5 13.Qe4 c4 14.Re1 b5 15.Ng5 N7f6 16.Qh4 a5 17.Ne4 b4 18.Qg3 Qc6 19.Qd6 Qxd6 20.Nxd6 bxc3 21.Ba1 Ba6 22.Bxc4 Bxc4 23.Nxc4 Rab8 24.g3 a4 25.Kd1 Rfc8 26.Ne5 Ne3+ 27.Kc1 Nfd5 28.Re2 Rb7 29.Rhe1 Nf5 30.Re4 Rcb8 0-1


Lambers,G (2337) - Van den Bos,H (2200) [C15]
corr NEDch-31 NBC, 01.09.2000

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 b6 7.Nh3 Bb7 8.fxe4 Bxe4 9.Ng5 Bg6 10.Bd3 Nf6 11.0-0 Qd5 12.Be3 Bxd3 13.cxd3 Nbd7 14.Qe1 b5 15.Qg3 0-0 16.Rf2 h6 17.Ne4 Nxe4 18.dxe4 Qxe4 19.Bxh6 Qg6 20.Qxc7 Nf6 21.Bf4 Nd5 22.Qa5 Qe4 23.Bd6 Rfd8 24.Bc5 a6 25.a4 Qe3 26.Raf1 f6 27.Bb4 Rdb8 28.Kh1 bxa4 29.Rb2 Qd3 30.Ra1 Ne3 31.Rba2 Rb5 32.Qc7 Qe4 33.Re1 a5 34.Ba3 Rb1 35.Bc1 a3 36.Rae2 Qd3 37.Ra2 Rab8 38.Qc6 Qc4 39.Qxc4 Nxc4 0-1


Massy,G (2365) - Boschma,B (2424) [C15]
corr NEDch-31 NBC, 01.09.2000

1.d4 e6 2.e4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.Bb2 0-0 9.0-0-0 Bd7 10.fxe4 Nxe4 11.Qe1 Bc6 12.Nf3 Nd7 13.Bd3 f5 14.Rf1 Rb8 15.g4 b5 16.gxf5 exf5 17.dxc5 Qf6 18.Nd4 Ndxc5 19.Rxf5 Qh6+ 20.Kb1 Rfe8 21.c4 Bd7 22.cxb5 Nxd3 23.cxd3 Nd6 24.Re5 Qxh2 25.Rxe8+ Rxe8 26.Qc3 Qg3 27.Nc6 Qg4 28.Rc1 Re2 29.Ka1 Be8 30.Qc5 Qd7 31.Rg1 Nf5 32.Rf1 g6 33.Qe5 Rxe5 0-1


Schulze,M (2400) - Knudsen,J (2475) [C15]
CM.2001.0.00134 IECG, 04.03.2001

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 e5 7.Be3 Bf5 8.Rb1 b6 9.Ne2 exf3 10.Ng3 Be6 11.Qxf3 Bd5 12.Qh5 Nd7 13.dxe5 g6 14.Qe2 Qe7 15.Qd2 Bb7 16.Bb5 0-0-0 17.0-0 Nxe5 18.Qe2 f6 19.Ba6 Kb8 20.Bxb7 Kxb7 21.Ne4 Kb8 22.Nc5 Rd5 23.Na6+ Kb7 24.Nb4 Ra5 25.Bd4 c6 26.c4 Nh6 27.Nd3 Nf5 28.Bc3 Ra4 29.Bb4 Qe6 30.c5 Qc4 31.Qf2 Nxd3 32.cxd3 Qd5 33.cxb6 axb6 34.Rfe1 Rha8 35.Bc5 b5 36.Rbc1 Rg4 37.Rc3 h5 38.h3 Rg3 39.Re7+ Nxe7 40.Qxg3 Nf5 41.Qe1 Qe5 42.Qxe5 fxe5 43.Kf2 Rd8 44.Kf3 Rd5 45.Ke4 h4 46.Bf2 Kc7 47.Be1 Kd6 48.Bf2 c5 49.Rc2 Ng3+ 50.Bxg3 Rd4+ 51.Ke3 hxg3 52.Rb2 Kc6 53.Rc2 Rf4 54.Rb2 b4 0-1


Littlewood,J (2244) - Blackburn,J (2207) [C15]
EUch Liverpool (9), 14.09.2006

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 c5 7.Rb1 Nc6 8.Bb5 Bd7 9.fxe4 Qh4+ 10.Kf1 Qxe4 11.Nf3 0-0-0 12.Bd3 Qg4 13.h3 Qg3 14.Bg5 f6 15.Bh4 Qd6 16.Bf2 Nge7 17.dxc5 Qf4 18.g3 Qc7 19.Nd2 Ne5 20.Ne4 Bc6 21.Qe2 Nd5 22.Bd4 Nxd3 23.cxd3 e5 24.Qg4+ Kb8 25.Bf2 f5 26.Qxf5 Ne3+ 27.Bxe3 Rhf8 28.Qxf8 Rxf8+ 29.Ke2 Bxe4 30.dxe4 Qf7 0-1


Kislov,O (2267) - Chamitskiy,S (2323) [C15]
RGSU Masters Moskwa (13), 18.11.2006

1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Bd7 7.Qd2 Bc6 8.Qf2 Nf6 9.Bb2 Qd5 10.Qg3 Nbd7 11.Qxc7 exf3 12.Nxf3 Qe4+ 13.Kd2 Nd5 14.Qd6 Qe3+ 15.Kd1 Nxc3+ 16.Bxc3 Qxc3 17.Rb1 Bxf3+ 18.gxf3 Qxf3+ 19.Kd2 Qxh1 20.Bb5 Qg2+ 21.Ke3 Qg5+ 0-1


Vujic,M (2340) - Zlatanovic,B (2386) [C15]
Paracin GM Paracin (2), 2008

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Nf6 7.Qd2 0-0 8.Bb2 c5 9.fxe4 Nxe4 10.Qe3 Qd5 11.c4 cxd4 12.Bxd4 Qa5+ 13.Kd1 e5 14.Qxe4 exd4 15.Bd3 g6 16.Nf3 Nc6 17.Qf4 Re8 18.Rb1 Ne5 19.Nxe5 Rxe5 20.Rf1 Be6 21.Rxb7 Re8 22.Qxd4 Bg4+ 23.Kc1 Qxa3+ 24.Qb2 Qa5 25.Rb4 Re1+ 26.Rxe1 Rxe1+ 27.Kd2 Ra1 28.c5 Ra4 29.Kc3 Qxc5+ 30.Rc4 Ra3+ 31.Kd2 Qf2+ 32.Kc1 Qe1# 0-1


Snap,C - Veal,J (2028) [C15]
Jerry Hanken Winter FIDE Open Stillwater USA (1), 13.02.2010

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3 Nd7 7.fxe4 Qh4+ 8.g3 Qxe4+ 9.Qe2 Qxh1 10.Nf3 Ngf6 11.Bb2 b6 12.0-0-0 Ba6 13.Qxa6 Qxf3 14.Be2 Qe3+ 15.Kb1 0-0 16.Qb7 Qxe2 0-1
  

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C15: Wickelmann-Reimer Gambit vs French Defence
10/28/10 at 07:26:02
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[Event "XI Anibal Open"]
[Site "Linares ESP"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Navarro Torres,P"]
[Black "Vilarnovo Caamano,J"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2232"]
[BlackElo "2088"]
[ECO "A40"]
[Round "9"]

1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Be3 Qa5 8. dxc5 Qxc3+ 9. Kf2 Ne7 10. fxe4 Nbc6 11. Nf3 e5 12. Bd3 Qa5 13. Rb1 Qc7 14. Ng5 h6 15. Qh5 Ng6 16. Nf3 Qe7 17. g3 Be6 18. h3 Rd8 19. Bb5 Qc7 20. Rbd1 Ke7 21. Bxc6 Qxc6 
22. Nxe5 Qxe4 23. Nxg6+ fxg6 24. Qh4+ Qxh4 25. gxh4 Rhf8+ 26. Kg3 Bd5 27. Rhf1 Bc6 28. Bf4 Rf5 
29. Rfe1+ 1-0

[Event "Open"]
[Site "Nova Gorica SLO"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[White "Armanda,I"]
[Black "Varini,M"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2337"]
[BlackElo "2085"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "03"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Nh3 Nc6 8. fxe4 cxd4 9. Bb5 Bd7 10. O-O Nf6 11. Bg5 h6 12. Bxf6 gxf6 13. cxd4 Nxd4 14. Bxd7+ Qxd7 15. c3 Nc6 16. Qf3 O-O-O 17. Qxf6 Rdf8 18. Qf2 Rhg8 19. Nf4 Rg4 20. g3 Qe7 21. Rad1 Rfg8 22. Nh5 Qh4 23. Nf4 Ne5 24. Ng2 Qg5 25. Qxa7 Nc6 26. Qa8+ Nb8 27. Rxf7 Qc5+ 28. Rd4 Qc6 
29. Rxb7 Qxb7 30. Rc4+ Qc7 31. Rxc7+ Kxc7 32. Qa7+ Kc8 33. Qc5+ Kd7 34. e5 1-0

[Event "Ambassador Open"]
[Site "Bern SUI"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[White "Bohnenblust,S"]
[Black "Cruceli,S"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2155"]
[BlackElo "2100"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "07"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Rb1 e5  8. Bb5+ Bd7 9. dxe5 Bxb5 10. Qxd8+ Kxd8 11. Rxb5 b6 12. fxe4 Nc6 13. Nf3 Nge7 14. O-O h6 15. Rd1+ Ke8 16. Bf4 Ng6 17. Bg3 Ke7 18. h4 h5 19. Rd5 Na5 20. Nd2 Rad8 21. Rb1 Rd7 22. Rf1 Rhd8 23. c4 Nf8 24. Bf4 Ne6 25. Bg5+ Nxg5 26. hxg5 g6 27. Rf6 Ke8 28. e6 fxe6 29. Rxe6+ Kf7 30. Rf6+ Kg7 31. a4 Nb7 32. Nf3 Rd6 33. Rdxd6 Rxd6 34. e5 Rd7 35. Nh4 Rd4 
36. Rxg6+ Kf8 37. Rf6+ Ke8 38. Nf5 Rxc4 39. g6 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "corr"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[White "Koser,E "]
[Black "Vogel,D "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Bf4 Nf6 
8. fxe4 Nxe4 9. Qd3 Qa5 10. Ne2 f5 11. g4 cxd4 12. gxf5 exf5 13. Bg2 Nxc3 14. O-O Qb6 
15. Nxc3 dxc3+ 16. Be3 Qf6 17. Bc5 Bd7 18. Qd5 Qc6 19. Qe5+ Qe6 20. Qxc3 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "corr"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[White "Winckelmann,T "]
[Black "Vogel "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Bb5+ Bd7 
8. Qe2 cxd4 9. fxe4 Qa5 10. Rb1 Qxc3+ 11. Bd2 Qxa3 12. Nf3 Nc6 13. O-O Rd8 14. Ng5 Nh6 
15. Qh5 Qe7 16. e5 O-O 17. Nxh7 Kxh7 18. Bxh6 Kg8 19. Bxg7 Kxg7 20. Qg4+ Kh8 21. Rf6 Qxf6 
22. exf6 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "corr ch-CZE"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[White "Pfeifer,M "]
[Black "Svoboda,F "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Bb5+ Bd7 
8. Qe2 Nc6 9. fxe4 cxd4 10. Nf3 dxc3 11. O-O a6 12. Bd3 Qa5 13. Rb1 b5 14. e5 f5 
15. exf6 Nxf6 16. Ng5 O-O 17. Rxf6 Rxf6 18. Bxh7+ Kf8 19. Ne4 Rf7 20. Be3 Qd8 21. Bc5+ Ne7 
22. Qh5 Rc8 23. Ng5 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Winckelmann,T "]
[Black "Gideon "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. fxe4 Qh4+ 
8. Ke2 Qxe4+ 9. Kf2 Nf6 10. Nf3 Qd5 11. Bb5+ Nc6 12. Qd3 cxd4 13. cxd4 O-O 14. Re1 Bd7 
15. c4 Qd6 16. Rb1 Ng4+ 17. Kg1 a6 18. Ba4 Rab8 19. Bc2 Nf6 20. Bg5 Rfd8 21. Bxf6 gxf6 
22. Qxh7+ Kf8 23. c5 Qf4 24. d5 Ne7 25. Rb4 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "corr"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Everett "]
[Black "Grottke "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Bb5+ Nc6 
8. Qe2 Bd7 9. fxe4 cxd4 10. Nf3 dxc3 11. O-O a6 12. Bd3 e5 13. Qe1 Nge7 14. Ng5 f6 
15. Bc4 Nd4 16. Rb1 Qc7 17. Bf7+ Kd8 18. Nf3 Nxc2 19. Qf2 Rf8 20. Bb3 Nd4 21. Nxd4 exd4 
22. Qxd4 b5 23. Be3 Ke8 24. Qd1 Bc6 25. Qh5+ g6 26. Qxh7 Bxe4 27. Bh6 Qa7+ 28. Kh1 Ng8 
29. Bg7 Bxb1 30. Rxb1 Qe7 31. Qxg6+ Kd7 32. Bxf8 Qxf8 33. Rd1+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "corr Germany"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Winckelmann,T "]
[Black "Von Zitzewitz,C "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Bb5+ Bd7 
8. a4 Nf6 9. Qe2 Qa5 10. Ra3 cxd4 11. fxe4 O-O 12. Nf3 dxc3 13. e5 Nd5 14. Bd3 Na6 
15. Bxh7+ Kxh7 16. Ng5+ Kg6 17. h4 f5 18. h5+ Kh6 19. Nxe6+ Kh7 20. h6 g6 21. Ng5+ Kh8 
22. e6 Qc7 23. exd7 Qxd7 24. Rxc3 Qxa4 25. Qe5+ Nf6 26. Ne6 Rae8 27. O-O Qe4 28. Qxe4 Nxe4 
29. Nxf8 Nxc3 30. Ba3 Nb8 31. Rf3 Ne2+ 32. Kf2 Nd4 33. Rh3 Nbc6 34. Nxg6+ Kh7 35. Nf8+ Rxf8 
36. Bxf8 Nxc2 37. Rb3 b6 38. Rb5 Kg8 39. Rxf5 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "corr"]
[Date "1993.??.??"]
[White "Winkelmann "]
[Black "Carstensen "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[Round "?"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Rb1 Nc6 
8. Bb5 Bd7 9. Nh3 exf3 10. Qxf3 cxd4 11. O-O Nf6 12. Qg3 O-O 13. Bd3 dxc3 14. Bg5 Qb8 
15. Qh4 h5 16. Bxf6 gxf6 17. Qxh5 f5 18. Qg5+ Kh8 19. Rf4 1-0


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