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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #17 - 11/08/10 at 16:45:57
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Dink Heckler wrote on 11/08/10 at 16:41:27:
MNb wrote on 11/08/10 at 16:23:32:
Work your way through a couple of BDG-threads and I will be curious if you will repeat this comment.

Life's too short, I'm afraid...but I have no doubt my pragmatic choices against the BDG, and by extension my very existence, will be heaped with calumny therein  Smiley


Actually not.  Since my becoming a monitor of that section, the abusive conversations that used to be so frequent there have been largely tamed.  A big part of that has been aggressive censorship of inflammatory speech -- the cost of which is very slight, since only a very few people are inclined to post in an inflammatory vein.

I do fully agree that life is too short, for most of us, to be confronted with that crap.  That's why I censor it.

My irritation lately stems from my post, suggesting more aggressive censorship in the French section, being itself deleted, with nothing being done about the inflammatory language to which I was pointing.  Since my original language was polite enough, I concluded that it was a case of the monitor having thin skin.

Even so, this is absolutely my last post on this subject, which has wasted too much of everyone's time already.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #16 - 11/08/10 at 16:41:27
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MNb wrote on 11/08/10 at 16:23:32:
Work your way through a couple of BDG-threads and I will be curious if you will repeat this comment.

Life's too short, I'm afraid...but I have no doubt my pragmatic choices against the BDG, and by extension my very existence, will be heaped with calumny therein  Smiley
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #15 - 11/08/10 at 16:32:00
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I think it's an "extent and emphasis" thing- I don't think there's a problem with such words creeping in here and there, but the problem with LDZ is that almost every other post has a reference to some sort of yellow/cowardly move.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #14 - 11/08/10 at 16:23:32
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Work your way through a couple of BDG-threads and I will be curious if you will repeat this comment.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #13 - 11/08/10 at 12:51:11
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/08/10 at 00:14:53:
Skim through any opening forum thread and you will find moves described as "insipid", "courageuos" and so on. You will see a variation described as "chickening out", "brave" and so on.

Should the moderators really censor these comments? (Many of the people posting here used these very words. Including myself.)


And long may it continue...it would be a sad day indeed when you can't describe a move as 'pusillanimous', say, for fear of offending any of the more thin-skinned readers. It's pathetic, really, that we're even having this discussion.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #12 - 11/08/10 at 01:25:33
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TopNotch wrote on 11/07/10 at 19:37:29:
I think Chessplayers need to be made of sterner stuff, if lev refers to a move or variation as cowardly....who cares. A move or variation doesn't stand or fall on the basis of a label like cowardly, scardy cat or yellow, and I really think this much ado about nothing.

Over the board, to be successful, you often have to put up with and overcome much more serious psychological ploys than this. 

Moreover in the Religous thread there are many more arrogant, sarcastic, provocative, dismissive, mocking and insulting comments, implied or otherwise, than anything I have ever seen Lev type on this forum. To my mind to poke fun or belittle a person's religion is much more unpalatable than referring to a move as cowardly, but that's just me.

Stiff upper lip and all that ole chaps, carry on.

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It's not what offends oneself that this is about; what a moderator has to think about is what is likely to offend other people, and especially, what is likely to set of one of those everlasting shouting matches that used to afflict the 1.d4... Various forum, incited, let us be frank, mostly by Lev.  I modestly claim credit for bringing that sort of thing to a halt there, with no cost to substantive chess discussion that I can see.

As for the one religion thread here, that is rather self-contained and carries a prominent warning.  But if you find things there that offend you, you should call them to the attention of the moderator.

  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #11 - 11/08/10 at 00:14:53
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Skim through any opening forum thread and you will find moves described as "insipid", "courageuos" and so on. You will see a variation described as "chickening out", "brave" and so on.

Should the moderators really censor these comments? (Many of the people posting here used these very words. Including myself.)
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #10 - 11/07/10 at 21:02:50
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TopNotch wrote on 11/07/10 at 19:37:29:
I really think this much ado about nothing.

Perhaps. But labeling a move as cowardly contributes zilch to the assessment of that move; at the other hand it initiates long, useless and heated debates - about nothing.
So I censor it in my section.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #9 - 11/07/10 at 21:00:30
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I deleted a post that I made above, since now I think it might have contributed to the over-analysis of this issue.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #8 - 11/07/10 at 20:12:43
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I could  care less what religious belief a person professes, that's none of my business. I am pretty tolerant religiously.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #7 - 11/07/10 at 19:37:29
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I think Chessplayers need to be made of sterner stuff, if lev refers to a move or variation as cowardly....who cares. A move or variation doesn't stand or fall on the basis of a label like cowardly, scardy cat or yellow, and I really think this much ado about nothing.

Over the board, to be successful, you often have to put up with and overcome much more serious psychological ploys than this. 

Moreover in the Religous thread there are many more arrogant, sarcastic, provocative, dismissive, mocking and insulting comments, implied or otherwise, than anything I have ever seen Lev type on this forum. To my mind to poke fun or belittle a person's religion is much more unpalatable than referring to a move as cowardly, but that's just me.

Stiff upper lip and all that ole chaps, carry on.

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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #6 - 11/07/10 at 19:32:28
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To the good people of ChessPub forums:

I am sure that we all have our ideas of what an appropriate level of censorship for these forums is.  I'm also sure that we can have a very interesting debate here on such a topic.  I presume that's why this topic was created, and it certainly serves a good purpose.

I would, however, ask you to look at the USCF forums, USCF Issues sub-forum.  The place is a swamp of countless pointless discussions regarding censorship, moderation, libel, etc.  I would hate to see these wonderful forums here turn to the dark side like the others.   

So, please, whatever decisions are made, whatever opinions we may hold, whoever we may disagree with, I ask that we all "take a chill pill" and not let this get out of hand.  One thread on this topic can be healthy discussion; numerous threads are imitations of what should be avoided.  So far, we seem to be doing fairly well on this count.


Too long; didn't read:  Good thread, but let's not imitate a certain other forum here.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #5 - 11/07/10 at 16:06:43
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/07/10 at 04:17:41:
Rather than continuously censor another moderator, I moved his comments here. They had absolutely nothing to do with the forum topic, which is why it was removed from that topic.

Regarding Markovich's claim that he has "absolutely no idea of the logic" of my choice, I sent him a private message explaining my reason. I don't want this to be a public issue, but I also don't like deleting posts made by fellow moderators.


Yes, your private message said that my deleted post contained an "attack" against you.  On the contrary, all it contained was my request that the monitorship of the French part of the forum should deal more firmly with Lev's use of terms like those in question.  It seems remarkably thin-skinned to interpret that as a personal attack, particularly since you're not the only monitor of the French section.

P.S. This really belongs is "Discussion," not General Chess.  But I don't suggest you move it again.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #4 - 11/07/10 at 11:28:05
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With Markovich I think provocative terms like "yellow" should be censored. I certainly won't tolerate them in the Dragon section.
  
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Re: Discussion of appropriate censorship
Reply #3 - 11/07/10 at 04:21:42
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Markovich wrote on 11/07/10 at 01:31:35:
You forgot to edit higher up , Smyslov_Fan my friend.  See posts #15 and #16.

Why is my request for moderation edited out, and not the offending text in the post to which I was pointing?  What bothers you, the offensive text itself, or my request that it be moderated?

Gambit wrote on 10/28/10 at 07:00:13:
I heard there is Das WRG, Band 2, but I do not have it.
The chesslive.de database should have games with the WRG. Regarding the scaredy-cat, yellow 6...c5 move, Winckelmann himself defeated it with 7 Rb1, 7 Qe2 7 Bb2. And these were postal games!


I posted above that the emphasized text quoted here should be expunged by the moderator; the moderator has let the text stand and has instead expunged, not the offending text, but my request!  I have absolutely no idea of the logic of this, but if someone has the right to come to scatter dreck in this forum, I certainly have a right to say that the moderator should sweep it up.

The principle being applied is apparently that public criticism of the moderation here should not be allowed.  To this, I very strongly object.

(Just thought I'd best save the original. (~SF)
  
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