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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #18 - 02/16/11 at 11:59:59
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According to dzindzi there is equality to black everywhere after 2...g6 however I do believe white maintains some edge by playing 4. Qxd4 or it's just me being disgusted by black's awkward looking position.
  
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Reply #17 - 11/16/10 at 15:28:58
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My PC spotted those some time back when i was analysing this game. I'll try to find my notes
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #16 - 11/16/10 at 10:22:18
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Ametanoitos wrote on 11/12/10 at 22:03:26:
This was mentioned also by Greet but if you search you will find at least two strong improvements for White. I really dont' like it for Black.  Sad


The only game I know if is the Ponomariov game, what specific improvement does White have here?
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #15 - 11/12/10 at 23:13:49
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Anonymous3 wrote on 11/12/10 at 22:23:34:
What should White do if Black tries to prevent the 4 Qxd4 line with 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6 3 d4 Bg7?


It's usually thought that White can get an advantage with either 4.dxc5 or 4.d5. But in the first case, Black has done OK with 4.dxc5 Qa5+ 5.c3 Qxc5 6.Na3 Nf6 (immediately 6...b6 is also possible) 7.Nb5 b6. So I play 4.d5, prepared for the Schmid Benoni. After 4...d6 I think White just about has time to insert 5.h3 to remove Black's ...Bg4 option.
  

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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #14 - 11/12/10 at 22:23:34
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What should White do if Black tries to prevent the 4 Qxd4 line with 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6 3 d4 Bg7?
  
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This was mentioned also by Greet but if you search you will find at least two strong improvements for White. I really dont' like it for Black.  Sad
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #12 - 11/12/10 at 09:50:47
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Ametanoitos wrote on 11/11/10 at 23:18:15:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4! Nf6 5.Nc3! Nc6 6.Qa4 d6 7.e5 leads to at least a slight advantage for White. I was working hard in this line from Black's side 6-7 months ago to make it playable and in my notes i had found a solution leading to unclear play. Now looking it from a distance i think that White is better there also.


I agree White should be slightly better in that line. Black has an interesting provocative alternative though - 6...Bg7. Ponomariov won a nice game as Black against Rublevsky with this. If Black is playing all-out for the full-point I'd suggest this is the way to go:



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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #11 - 11/11/10 at 23:18:15
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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4! Nf6 5.Nc3! Nc6 6.Qa4 d6 7.e5 leads to at least a slight advantage for White. I was working hard in this line from Black's side 6-7 months ago to make it playable and in my notes i had found a solution leading to unclear play. Now looking it from a distance i think that White is better there also.

3.c3 d5! is a transposition to a line analysed by Ftacnik in his GM Rep no 6 and by Greet in his SO Acc book and is OK for Black.

  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #10 - 11/11/10 at 14:40:31
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Stigma wrote on 11/10/10 at 14:51:18:
I thought the received wisdom was that Black should try to get in ...b5 (instead of ...b6), even as a sacrifice? Alternatively there's a new plan (mentioned in the 2nd edition of "Black Explained" I think) of ...Nb6 and a quick ...d5, which again can be played as a sacrifce, e5xd6 being met with the tempo-gaining ...Bf5.


I was under the impression that this was the case after 8 or 9. Bc4 instead of my games 8 or 9. Bf4.
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #9 - 11/11/10 at 12:38:48
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kylemeister wrote on 11/11/10 at 03:19:20:
MNb wrote on 11/11/10 at 01:09:11:

Then how would you call 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Pf6 5.Nf3 g6 6.cxd5 Bg7 7.Bb5+ ?


A Panov with an unusual and suboptimal-looking fifth move by White.

Which makes you look over the main point (even if this sentence over 5.Nf3 holds still in case of an earlier g6 in the Panov; the Be2-f3 and Ne2 plan ain't more promising for white imo).

1.e4 c5 2.Sf3 .... is handing white more information about blacks opening play. After black's 2nd move white's choice between Lb5-structures, c3-structures, KIA, Ungarian Attack, Maroczy Bind-structures (or even open sicilians if you're on to blunder chess on that day Wink) is easier.
  

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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #8 - 11/11/10 at 03:19:20
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MNb wrote on 11/11/10 at 01:09:11:

Then how would you call 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Pf6 5.Nf3 g6 6.cxd5 Bg7 7.Bb5+ ?


A Panov with an unusual and suboptimal-looking fifth move by White.
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #7 - 11/11/10 at 01:09:11
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kylemeister wrote on 11/10/10 at 20:22:29:
That early Nf3 doesn't look very Panov-ish ...

Then how would you call 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Pf6 5.Nf3 g6 6.cxd5 Bg7 7.Bb5+ ?
  

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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #6 - 11/11/10 at 00:35:24
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I think 2..g6 is a good anti-anti-Sicilian, since a lot of anti-Sicilian specialists don't seem very well prepared for it, probably because it leads to imbalances they're not used to handling. When I play 2..g6, 4.Qxd4 is the type of move I like to play against, because that move often indicates the player is trying to avoid mainline theory in the Dragon and Black's counterplay is not so easy to counter IMO. The positions can become sharp unlike many anti-Sicilians, so I think they're often more likely to favor the prepared Dragon player. I'll play 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 Bg7 4.d4 cxd4 5.cxd4 d5 as Black, but not the analogous 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 lines in the c3 Sicilian, precisely because White has committed himself to Nf3 in the former. I don't think Black has any problems in those lines. I am much more concerned about encountering someone well prepared in the mainlines with 6.Be3 or a strong positional player in the Maroczy.
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #5 - 11/10/10 at 20:22:29
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That early Nf3 doesn't look very Panov-ish ...
  
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Re: 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 g6
Reply #4 - 11/10/10 at 18:52:52
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Anonymous3 wrote on 11/10/10 at 07:38:13:

Larry Kaufman in his book "The Chess Advantage in Black and White" recommends 3 c3 but after 3...Bg7 4 d4 cxd4 5 cxd4 d5 6 e5 (6 exd5 is another possibility but I think it's =) 6...Nc6 7 h3 Nh6 8 Be2, I think 8…Bf5 with the idea of …Be4, which Kaufman doesn't mention, is =.  


6. exd5 gives white imo a small advantage resulting into a position reached mostly via Caro-Kann, Panov, 30 years ago, when I studied this. It's drawish if white doesn't know the ending. If white is prepared he's playing for two results while black can only hope for real blunders.
  

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