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Re: Reaching your peak in chess
Reply #35 - 02/09/11 at 14:56:47
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nimzo5 wrote on 02/09/11 at 14:16:05:
Well the other portion of the equation- which is loss of chess strength due to age, is much harder to quantify. It's clear in physical sports that by the mid 30's athletes are already in decline, but at what level that becomes noticeable for an amateur is conjecture.

Experience counts for something.  Age means you have to study harder to pick up new material, but really how much of learning a new chess system is truly new?
trw wrote on 02/08/11 at 23:38:00:
What you are suggesting fits exactly with what I said. A barrier you are unwilling to pass is the time you must give for the improvement to happen.  That being said... thats why most kids improve and few adults do. Kids have no demand on their time beyond hobbies and school. Adults have many from work to school to family to others and hobbies generally occupy the lowest rung.

I think this is valid as well.  My own work habbits keep me from breaking into the next class.  Instead of playing 10 minute games, I should be working on the various books I have.
  
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Re: Reaching your peak in chess
Reply #34 - 02/09/11 at 14:16:05
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Well the other portion of the equation- which is loss of chess strength due to age, is much harder to quantify. It's clear in physical sports that by the mid 30's athletes are already in decline, but at what level that becomes noticeable for an amateur is conjecture.
  

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Reply #33 - 02/08/11 at 23:38:00
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What you are suggesting fits exactly with what I said. A barrier you are unwilling to pass is the time you must give for the improvement to happen.  That being said... thats why most kids improve and few adults do. Kids have no demand on their time beyond hobbies and school. Adults have many from work to school to family to others and hobbies generally occupy the lowest rung.
  
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Reply #32 - 02/08/11 at 19:36:41
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While I admire TRW's enthusiasm (one I shared at his age), I think that one has to be realistic. Life outside of chess continues to happen in the midst of one's chess improvement dreams and the older you get, the more life intrudes on one's hobbies. 

That being said, for probably 80% of the chess playing population there is room for improvement even with an age/schedule handicap. 

The funny thing about peak accomplishments is that you rarely realize they happened till long after. haha.

  

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Reply #31 - 02/08/11 at 15:58:33
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Keano wrote on 02/08/11 at 10:09:31:
Mihai Suba only began playing in his 20's and went on to become a top GM. Its a common myth/dogma that we are sold this stuff about chess being a young mans game etc. I believe improvement is possible at any age.



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Mihai Suba only began playing in his 20's and went on to become a top GM. Its a common myth/dogma that we are sold this stuff about chess being a young mans game etc. I believe improvement is possible at any age.
  
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Reply #29 - 02/07/11 at 19:43:11
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Well I appreciate the flattery but I don't think its a record. Especially since it technically took me 2 years and 8 months. And Carlsen did it at what 7 or 8? not 23 Smiley
  
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Reply #28 - 02/07/11 at 19:09:10
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Well, I'll tell you what could have changed their mind.  Going from unrated to 2000+ in two years is approximately what e.g. Magnus Carlsen and Stuart Rachels (former record-holder for youngest US master) did.  If you did that in your twenties, I wonder if it could be a world record.
  
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Re: Reaching your peak in chess
Reply #27 - 02/07/11 at 18:16:56
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I don't believe in this peak bs. I think you just reach a barrier you're unwilling to pass for some reason - work ethic, time or unwilling to be honest with yourself. And then you get to blame whatever scape goat is convenient - i've peaked! i'm old! Whatever.
I started Chess at 23 and I was told by many masters I could never hope to compete with anyone. By 25 I made expert. Those same masters now tell me I could make IM if I wanted. Whats the difference? What changed their mind in 2 years?

The sky is the limit. Just keep telling yourself that. It is always two steps forward one step back. Progress can't be made without a few mistakes and a dose of failure along the way.
  
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Reply #26 - 02/07/11 at 11:21:45
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Matemax wrote on 02/04/11 at 18:09:58:
Victor "the terrible" Korchnoi reached one of his peaks lately at the age of 79 by beating Mr. Caruana who is rated 2720.

Did he ever beat such a strong player before? (yes he did - Karpov was rated 2725)

But anyway if that is not a peak, what else?  Wink


That was class. Lets all say no to ageism in chess. The oldies can still teach a lesson or two.
  
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Re: Reaching your peak in chess
Reply #25 - 02/07/11 at 08:48:44
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TN wrote on 11/17/10 at 14:22:41:
gewgaw wrote on 11/17/10 at 13:05:56:
Hi all,

I´ve a question to those, who reached their peak, but still play on chess. What´s your motivation to play on, in spite of the fact, that your strength is deteriorating and you make more and more ridiculous blunder, which shake your head during and after the game?
I´m in my 30´s and recently reached 2150 and feel this is my peak, if I play on, it´s just a fight against the inevitable decline. Of course you can argue as an amateur you play just for fun, but this is not my point.


There's more to chess than ratings. And sometimes you have to take a small step backward to make a large leap forward. 

If I started declining in OTB chess, I'd focus on becoming World Correspondence Champion instead. Tongue

Edit: Men don't reach their peak at 18. Chess might be a young man's game, but not that young.  Wink


There was a study I heard of not too long ago (maybe a year or two ago).  It said that IQ peaks at in a person's early twenties and begins to decline at 24.  There were upsides.  It did not mean that older people could not learn new things, it just meant that they had to work harder than they used to.  It also noted that there remained an experience advantage that still belonged to older people.  So some youngster may have you beat on how quickly he picks up new material, but your vast experience is still an advantage on him.
  
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Reply #24 - 02/05/11 at 09:13:20
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Well, I´m 39 years old and gained about 100 elo-points in the last 2 years. So fortunately for me progress is still possible. Smiley
  
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Reply #23 - 02/05/11 at 06:03:12
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I also have a sort of problem ...
I am rated 2000 in chess and I am 27 ... but the next step after winning a public tournament in the regional congress and small master tournament some time ago would be to get to 2250 to be able to win the ultimate master tournament in my region, or even more try to get the FM title reaching 2300 ELO ... but currently I am in a quite heavy master program in computer science, so I have not really time for chess, besides playing some blitz ... but even then I don't really think I will continue chess, because the next step to reach (e.g. rating 2200 or FM title) is just too far away for me ... I need to spend my energy on my career Smiley ... and being a computer scientist, I don't need to play additionally chess, because my profession is already quite intellectual ... 
also for me personally chess just takes too long, I don't want to play in 9 round tournaments, where where is only 1 round per day, or something ... I'd prefer a more rapid-orientated approach ...
but the break did quite good to me, because I played a good blitz tournament recently after not having participated in a tournament for about 6 months, I won against some 2200's and almost won against a 2400 player ... I really don't know why that is, because I am really out of training ...


We'll forgive you for that if your first son breaks 2300 FIDE. 

Jokes aside, good luck with your computer science career. In the end you should do what you do best and enjoy most.

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Re: Reaching your peak in chess
Reply #22 - 02/04/11 at 18:09:58
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Victor "the terrible" Korchnoi reached one of his peaks lately at the age of 79 by beating Mr. Caruana who is rated 2720.

Did he ever beat such a strong player before? (yes he did - Karpov was rated 2725)

But anyway if that is not a peak, what else?  Wink
  
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Re: Reaching your peak in chess
Reply #21 - 02/04/11 at 17:22:25
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I just hope that permanent decline doesn't start in the 30's, though that would explain why I'm in a slump at the moment. :p
  

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