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Re: Odd Chess Pieces Question...
Reply #9 - 11/24/10 at 17:19:32
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ReneDescartes wrote on 11/24/10 at 06:51:55:
I have also noticed a certain symbolism in the Staunton design: each piece looks like its potential movements. The bishop has a diagonal cut...

Piece design gets all the attention, but let us give some love to the piece icons used in printed chess position diagrams; and in figurine notation.

http://www.CastleLong.com/essay/Essay_HSym_fd47b_Doc_Prn.PDF

The above link is to a .PDF file wherein I merge two goals in the variations of my font named Chess Handy Symmato:

1. An onomatopoeia-like correspondence between movement & shape.
2. A simplicity of concept that would enable a minimum of pixels being necessary -- partly for reasons having to do with blind chess players.

A tangent of goal #1: it too often confuses me that white vs. black pawns disagree on their respective orientations of shape-to-movement (disagree by 180 degrees).
The font Chess Montreal proposes one solution. Unfortunately its solution has a drawback of excessive symmetry, which makes its icons more difficult to perceive.
The font Chess Handy Symmato proposes another solution, which again has temporary drawback that takes a little time to adjust to.

Standard figurine notation suffers from using the exact same white icons for both white and black moves. There would be advantages to having each isolated move encode color.
Further, many chess books mix analysis moves among live moves in the text. The book bold the live moves. However the figurines do not bold, which in some books makes the eye struggle to distinguish live moves from analysis.


On http://FontStruct.FontShop.com/ ...
I recently spent a Sunday creating my own chess notation font loosely based on Chess Handy Symmato, for free. (The FontStruct tool avoid the impossible archaic specialized knowledge usually required to create a font.)

My trick is to use "upside-down" black piece icons for live black moves, and "right-side-up" black piece icons for live white moves. (Technically I do not think it is a way for a triangle-ish shape to be either upside-down or right-side-up, but you get the idea.)

If the icons are designed well, the eye learns to easily perceive them in either directional orientation, after only a minute or two of practice. Thereafter the perceptual skill is retained, like riding a bicycle.

Analysis moves can switch to white piece icons.
  

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Re: Odd Chess Pieces Question...
Reply #8 - 11/24/10 at 06:51:55
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Well, in the first Staunton set, as in this one, which I too own, the rooks have to be short to create a particular effect: in the initial position you get a classical profile of continually rising piece height from either side up to the king--as in the pediment of the Parthenon, for example, whose friezes contained the model for Cook's original knight. The overall design of a Staunton piece also suggests a classical order (column, etc.), though obviously the base can't be square for reasons of symmetry.

I have also noticed a certain symbolism in the Staunton design: each piece looks like its potential movements. The bishop has a diagonal cut and a roughly rhomboidal shape; the knight's realistic horse head provides a neat inverted L; the rook has rectangular battlements; the crenelations on the Queen's crown radiate out in all directions; and the King has a modestly sized cross on top that includes diagonal as well as rectilinear elements. For its part, the pawn is a single destination on a stick, about half a board-square long (I guess the pawn capture is not represented: giving it two mouths on stalks would be more Bosch than Pheidias). All this is not unlike the symbolism visible in common mathematical characters such as 0, 1, +, - , /, etc..
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Re: Odd Chess Pieces Question...
Reply #7 - 11/24/10 at 04:13:02
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The HOS set is beautiful, but why are the rooks so short?   

It's not just this set.  Typically, the rooks are shorter than the bishops and knights, even though the rook is a stronger piece.

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Re: Odd Chess Pieces Question...
Reply #6 - 11/22/10 at 22:55:52
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This is the exact set I have. It is not DGT if I recall correctly. I think its HOS. I will look up the official name and where I got it when I get home.

err I guess no point Rene already posted it above Wink never mind then!
  
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Reply #5 - 11/22/10 at 22:43:48
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Definitely not, regarding the second set.  I'm also someone who is extraordinarily sensitive to such variations.  I once spent about two hours hand-selecting putatively identical pieces from a large box in order to get the wood grains and accidental details of carving to harmonize. 

My suspicion is that neither DGT themselves nor the organizers of top FIDE events care very much about the exact shape of the bishops.   I think they simply order a batch from, or make a contract with, an Indian wholesale manufacturer, and then order another when that one runs out or they need to make another contract. The batches vary, and possibly the contract manufacturers do as well.  If you look at the sets in world championships, in the Tal memorial/World Blitz, and in various other events, you will notice slight variations over the years. For example, in the Morelia/Linares tournament  where the Shirov picture originated, it appears that one set was used in Morelia and another type in Linares! Check out the variation in the sets in the photos of Anand and Shirov here:

http://houseofstaunton.com/Store/product_name=The+Championship+Series+Chess+Set+...

Another problem: no type of Rosewood will look the same as the Sheesham that is used in the DGT sets. 

I think your only recourse may be to keep an eye on eBay for the edition of the DGT set you are seeking.  
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Re: Odd Chess Pieces Question...
Reply #4 - 11/22/10 at 22:33:08
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The pieces belong to a DGT board set

http://digitalgametechnology.com/site/index.php/Electronic-Boards/dgt-e-boards-u...

http://www.chesscentral.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/10139-chessset-timeless-for...

http://www.chessbaron.co.uk/gallery/DGT2001/DGT2001.jpg

Another hint that these are the DGT pieces is the chessboard and how it is integrated into the table, very common at todays big tournaments, where DGT equipment is the norm.
  
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Reply #3 - 11/22/10 at 20:47:54
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It's hard to say, but I want to say no. In the Shirov picture, one White pawn (far left) looks like the set you showed me, but others (far right for instance) look like from this set, which I like a lot:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA02200025S9&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle...

In the second set, at least to my mind, the bishops are longer and skinnier and the pawns are a little taller and skinnier. 

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Reply #2 - 11/22/10 at 20:31:28
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I can't tell if this one is an exact match or not, they only have the one picture:

http://www.thechessstore.com/product/SGR275/German-Staunton-Chess-Set-in-Rosewoo...

Edit: INSE beat me to it. Smiley
  
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11/22/10 at 18:37:35
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Has anyone actually seen this exact set?

http://www.chessbase.com/news/2008/morelia/shirov04.jpg

Besides being a great picture of Shirov, it displays a set I've been trying to find for quite a while now. I have shopped around all of the US sites, and just simply can't find it. I can find very similar ones on USCF's site, Niggemann, all the usuals, but I can't find this EXACT set. I assume it's a DGT set, but their set no longer (if ever) looked like this. 

Does anyone know where I can pick this one up? For me, it's pretty much optimal, and I'm just too particular about my pieces and too persistent not to find it somehow!

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