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Nelson Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 77 Joined: 04/12/08	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #8 - 03/11/11 at 18:54:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Dear All, Just another observation. I originally thought the way forward in this line was:- 1 d4 f5 2 Bg5 g6 3 Nd2 Bg7 4 E4 fe 5 Ne4 d5 6 Ng3 c5 7 dc Bb2 8 Rb1 Bc3+ 9 Bd2 Bd2+ 10 Qd2 Nf6 h4!? Obviously black has options prior to this but even this line doesn't quite work for white. This is the main reason I've started to look at the 4 f3 option. I believe Daniellan looked at this line some years back (4 f3) either with or without Nc3 and although he seems to have given up chess for a career was a strong player before this. What are the views on the options 4...d5 and 4...ef after 4 f3 ?? Regards, Nelson


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Nelson Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 77 Joined: 04/12/08	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #7 - 03/11/11 at 15:12:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Dear Raja, From my personal standpoint, if black allows white to play d4 & e4 then he should take the opportunity. Why wouldn't you play to take the centre. Whether you start with d4 or e4 it doesn't matter. A lots of the soundest defences against d4 are where black tries to prevent e4 and white tries to play it. Regards, Nelson.


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Hehmer Ex Member	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #6 - 03/11/11 at 11:38:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Nelson wrote on 03/10/11 at 18:47:44: Has anyone any views as to the following line?? 1 d4 f5, 2Bg5 g6 3 e4 fe 4 f3...... This looks a reasonable try against the 2...g6 line as having played g6 black may hav a slightly compromised Stanton Gambit type position. Regards, Nelson Black can play 4...Bg7 with the idea 5.fxe4 c5 6.c3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Nc6 8.Nf3 Qb6; 7...Qb6 or 7...Qa5+ come into consideration too. In case of 4.Nc3 Black should simply play 4...Bg7. Then 5.Nxe4 leads to the main line and 5.f3 is well met by 5...Nc6! 6.d5 Ne5.


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Klick God Member Offline Posts: 528 Joined: 01/31/03	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #5 - 03/11/11 at 10:39:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don`t mind playing against the Stonewall if black moves 1.d4 e6, but against 1.d4 f5 I prefer 2.Bg5, so I`m interested in seeing what Nelson finds.

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fling God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1591 Joined: 01/21/11 Gender:	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #4 - 03/11/11 at 10:05:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	raja wrote on 03/11/11 at 09:06:16: The problem with most Anti dutch systems is that black can simply avoid with few move order tricks 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.Nf3 f5 used by stonewall players. or 1.d4 e6 is also used if the second player is ready to meet french defense... So any d4 or Nf3 player is forced to study the main lines of Dutch defense......so shortcuts here... well, that first line is not that good for Black, the main reason is that White can post his bishop on f4. That particular line is also a reason for the authors of Win with the Stonewall Dutch to recommend a dutch move order, IIRC.


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raja Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 125 Location: India Joined: 11/15/10 Gender:	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #3 - 03/11/11 at 09:06:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	The problem with most Anti dutch systems is that black can simply avoid with few move order tricks 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.Nf3 f5 used by stonewall players. or 1.d4 e6 is also used if the second player is ready to play french defense... So any d4 or Nf3 player is forced to study the main lines of Dutch defense......so shortcuts here...


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Nelson Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 77 Joined: 04/12/08	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #2 - 03/11/11 at 08:59:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	hi MNb, I have investigated 2...h6 & 2...Nf6 already and find them both distinctly inferior. I think 2....g6 is the most challenging for white and at the same time safest for black. I'm not overly worried about the e3 move and feel the most critical lines are 4...ef and 4...d5. I will post some initial analysis shortly. Regards, Nelson


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) Reply #1 - 03/11/11 at 03:44:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Or 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 when exf3 6.Nxf3 leads to a good version of the Staunton Gambit. So I'd ask: what about 5...e3 (and in your move order: 4...e3)? Well, 6.Qd3 Bg7 7.0-0-0 and 8.Qxe3 looks good enough. But first I would investigate 2...h6 and 2...Nf6.

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Nelson Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 77 Joined: 04/12/08	Anti Dutch line not analysed much (Any thoughts?) 03/10/11 at 18:47:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	Has anyone any views as to the following line?? 1 d4 f5, 2Bg5 g6 3 e4 fe 4 f3...... This looks a reasonable try against the 2...g6 line as having played g6 black may hav a slightly compromised Stanton Gambit type position. Regards, Nelson


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