Mortal Games wrote on 03/22/11 at 17:06:32:


It's nowhere near enough.

Tops 

Stigma wrote on 03/22/11 at 12:14:35:


I vaguely recall that the Myanmar players would have their ratings removed if they didn't play overseas, but I could be misremembering this. I think I meant Myanmar >2500s rather than Myanmar GMs since as you mention, the players would not have been able to get GM norms from playing each other.

I'm quite familiar with the Crisan case. He was considered guilty of tournament manipulation by the FIDE Board, but none of the action recommended in the official hearing was undertaken by FIDE. I know that Crisan was imprisoned for a different offence, but I don't know if he has been released yet or not.

TN wrote on 03/22/11 at 10:38:56:


Do you know how many of them actually recieved the GM title during the rating manipulation scheme? FIDE lists only 1 GM and 4 IMs from Myanmar, all with the same revealing kind of rating graphs; steep declines both in 2000 and 2008. They were all around 2600 in year 2000, but I'm not sure anyone besides Zaw Win Lay actually got the GM title back then. They mostly played among themselves in rigged tournaments, and you need to face other GMs and IMs to score norms.

In another famous case, Romanian Alexandru Crisan is still rated 2588 with a GM title according to FIDE! This despite a 2001 decision to strip him of his rating, GM title and IM title for manipulating tournament results. What's happened here, was the decision revoked?

TN wrote on 03/22/11 at 08:40:17:


There was something with +2600s from Myanmar i.e Burma - don't really remember with them though. Anyway, nowadays players frequently disappear from the Elolist as penalty for their federation not having paid FIDE.

So I wouldn't be surprised if FIDE decides to retract their titles, partly for unsportsmanlike conduct and partly to scare others away from trying similar ideas.

Just want to diverge slightly off topic, how do chess players cope with other activities such as watching a long film like Casablanca or Titanic down at the cinema, taking 3 hour university exams, endurance running, playing footy or even a snooker player who remains sitting down whilst the other player pots 900 points without the need to answer the phone or going to the loo every 15 minutes? Surely, there has to be some sort of regulation enforcing the players to remain at the chess playing table?

so their guilt has been confirmed? This case is truly just bizarre to me. 

TalJechin wrote on 03/20/11 at 23:19:53:


That's a possibility. But I was more concerned about what should happen to their opponents' lost points, rating points and (possibly) prize money?

GMTonyKosten wrote on 03/20/11 at 22:42:08:


Surely, if the cheating accusation holds in all committees and courts, the results of all affected games should be changed both for ratings and standings purposes? Anything else would be ridiculous. 

Edit: When no title norms are involved an option could be to simply not rate the games of a cheating player, that way his opponents will get neither an unfair gain or an unfair loss of rating points. In effect, treat the games as default (no-show) losses for the cheater.

Are there any rules in place for this situation?