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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #57 - 03/30/11 at 16:30:02
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Mortal Games wrote on 03/30/11 at 15:33:58:
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“arbiters reserve the rights to search player’s pockets”

Search the players pockets? Not only this seems silly to me because someone who wants to cheat can use a third guy to give him signals, but above all it gives a very bad image of chess and it shows that the supposed inteligent organization of a sport of people who like to think cannot find a better way. In a well organized sport, not belong to the players to create rules. That must belong to an organization who knows how to think about chess, but unfortunately it´s not the case with FIDE until today. 

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“no electronic devices can be brought into the playing hall”

This is ok and should be taken long time ago almost in the beginning, but of course FIDE was sleeping...

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“electronic boards can be unplugged if one of the players demands it”.

Oh yes and then, we at home loose the games. Another great popular propaganda for chess!
I guess Topalov will demand to swich off all boards because is boss defends the copyright of chess moves...

When will come the day where chess will be an organized sport with a transparent organization?  Undecided


Some sweeping demands, but I doubt it would be legal for the arbiters to search people's pockets and belongings.

Banning all electronic devices - hmm, what about, for example: cameras, mp3-players, hearing-aids and pacemakers? Would having any of those on your person justify losing the game as with a ringing cell phone?

OTB tournament will probably become more and more of blitz and speed-chess - and for serious top tournaments it would probably be more entertaining and easier to interest TV, if the participants played best of say 10-15 blitz games, as in snooker. 

Why would one game for 6-8 hours still be better nowadays than 15 blitz games in 3-4 hours? There are already "long" games being played where one side only uses a few minutes for the whole game...
  
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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #56 - 03/30/11 at 15:50:51
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Interview with Kasparov from two days ago on cheating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-PQyDN19moY

He is not optimistic on behalf of classical chess.
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #55 - 03/30/11 at 15:33:58
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“arbiters reserve the rights to search player’s pockets”

Search the players pockets? Not only this seems silly to me because someone who wants to cheat can use a third guy to give him signals, but above all it gives a very bad image of chess and it shows that the supposed inteligent organization of a sport of people who like to think cannot find a better way. In a well organized sport, not belong to the players to create rules. That must belong to an organization who knows how to think about chess, but unfortunately it´s not the case with FIDE until today. 

Quote:
“no electronic devices can be brought into the playing hall”

This is ok and should be taken long time ago almost in the beginning, but of course FIDE was sleeping...

Quote:
“electronic boards can be unplugged if one of the players demands it”.

Oh yes and then, we at home loose the games. Another great popular propaganda for chess!
I guess Topalov will demand to swich off all boards because is boss defends the copyright of chess moves...

When will come the day where chess will be an organized sport with a transparent organization?  Undecided

 
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #54 - 03/30/11 at 13:17:03
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European Championship participants fight cheating with open letter


The French cheating case is clearly having an effect on the atmosphere at the European Championship in Aix les Bains. Since day one it has been widely discussed among participants, and now many of them have signed a letter in which they demand that “arbiters reserve the rights to search player’s pockets”, “no electronic devices can be brought into the playing hall” and “electronic boards can be unplugged if one of the players demands it”.


Full article at http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/european-championship-participants-fight-cheat...
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #53 - 03/29/11 at 21:24:14
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Markovich wrote on 03/29/11 at 20:02:40:
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This is a concern for the arbiters, no one else.  If you don't think you can trust the arbitration of any given event, don't play in it.


I am not playing in it...
I was kidding anyway. xD  Grin
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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #52 - 03/29/11 at 20:02:40
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HoemberChess wrote on 03/29/11 at 18:09:00:
Matemax wrote on 03/29/11 at 16:39:43:
Considering the psychological situation I find it quite impressive how Feller competes at the ECh. On the other hand this is really something to investigate further - why should he cheat if he can (and we have to conclude that he is observed very well now) obviously do without it?


We can't understand his latest method yet. Maybe Marzolo is there hiding somewhere. Or a disguised participant is there only to transmit moves to him by his/her movement... We should be patient.


This is a concern for the arbiters, no one else.  If you don't think you can trust the arbitration of any given event, don't play in it.
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #51 - 03/29/11 at 18:09:00
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Matemax wrote on 03/29/11 at 16:39:43:
Considering the psychological situation I find it quite impressive how Feller competes at the ECh. On the other hand this is really something to investigate further - why should he cheat if he can (and we have to conclude that he is observed very well now) obviously do without it?


We can't understand his latest method yet. Maybe Marzolo is there hiding somewhere. Or a disguised participant is there only to transmit moves to him by his/her movement... We should be patient.
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #50 - 03/29/11 at 18:01:30
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Matemax wrote on 03/29/11 at 16:39:43:
Considering the psychological situation I find it quite impressive how Feller competes at the ECh. On the other hand this is really something to investigate further - why should he cheat if he can (and we have to conclude that he is observed very well now) obviously do without it?


Maybe he's just improved his cheating? A communication chip in the head is better than ten team captains changing tables...

Besides, it can't be much fun for his opponents - wondering what he's up to this time and forcing themselves to shake his hand before the game. So, maybe it's them playing badly, making him look better than he is?
  
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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #49 - 03/29/11 at 16:57:05
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Matemax wrote on 03/29/11 at 16:39:43:
... why should he cheat if he can (and we have to conclude that he is observed very well now) obviously do without it?


Because Feller (or anybody else) + silicon > Feller (or anybody else)
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #48 - 03/29/11 at 16:39:43
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Considering the psychological situation I find it quite impressive how Feller competes at the ECh. On the other hand this is really something to investigate further - why should he cheat if he can (and we have to conclude that he is observed very well now) obviously do without it?
  
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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #47 - 03/29/11 at 14:07:06
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TopNotch wrote on 03/24/11 at 20:26:11:
I am also left wondering how this Feller kid got his title norms, as this cheating scandal calls everything he has ever achieved in chess into question.


Well, this is why I didn't believe the cheating accusations when I first saw them as I've played Feller when he was younger and he really impressed me, I always thought he was the most talented of the young French hopes! Since then he has been doing a lot of training with Dorfman, so his current rating (2657) is no big surprise.
He is currently equal 2nd in the European Individual championships with a perormance of 2781, and presumably he is being closely monitored, so it is starting to look like he has a point to prove! Huh
I glanced at his Rd 6 game against Papin, and for someone not using Rybka it looked mighty impressive!
  
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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #46 - 03/25/11 at 20:41:24
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Markovich wrote on 03/25/11 at 11:19:43:
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> I did not see amateurs cheating within Swiss-tourneys
There was also a similar case in France during 2009, the so-called Mondoloni affair. That player raised from 1900 to 2300 in one year, winning all tournaments with 9/9, including Championnat de Paris U2400 section, with 2700+ performance. He was never convicted but as far as I know, he doesn't play any more.


Perhaps not, but I'll bet that his friends and his family are still under the impression that he's a great chess genius.  It just shows that not only money is motivation to cheat.


My family and friends were convinced I was a great chess genius when my rating was 1300 despite my efforts to explain to them otherwise....
  
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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #45 - 03/25/11 at 11:19:43
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> I did not see amateurs cheating within Swiss-tourneys
There was also a similar case in France during 2009, the so-called Mondoloni affair. That player raised from 1900 to 2300 in one year, winning all tournaments with 9/9, including Championnat de Paris U2400 section, with 2700+ performance. He was never convicted but as far as I know, he doesn't play any more.


Perhaps not, but I'll bet that his friends and his family are still under the impression that he's a great chess genius.  It just shows that not only money is motivation to cheat.
  

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Re: French cheating at Olympiad
Reply #44 - 03/25/11 at 10:37:04
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Technical doping is far worse than chemical doping - as the latter leaves traces behind. While technical devices are getting smaller, faster and better every year. And there's very little to do against it as the possibilities for cheating are increasing exponentially, with every new technical leap. 

One thing that surprises me though, is that they cheated at the Chess Olympics. Are there really so big prize money at this kind of events to make it worth the effort? Or where they trying out the method to use it at NY Open and other more rewarding tournaments?

Anyway, FIDE may need to start its own Doping Police in the not so distant future. It won't be easy to stop this kind of cheating and it may include being able to jam transmissions and scan for devices hidden inside the body etc. But that will not mix well with issues on personal integrity and the laws regarding those issues.

Meanwhile, every sore loser will have gotten yet another unprovable accusation to throw at his opponent. Like this Colorado gambit game mentioned recently here:http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1041739080/19#19
  
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Reply #43 - 03/25/11 at 10:17:06
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> I did not see amateurs cheating within Swiss-tourneys
There was also a similar case in France during 2009, the so-called Mondoloni affair. That player raised from 1900 to 2300 in one year, winning all tournaments with 9/9, including Championnat de Paris U2400 section, with 2700+ performance. He was never convicted but as far as I know, he doesn't play any more.
  
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