Quote:TalJechin - Well, is chess still an art? When even GMs and World-championship participants are consulting computers before the games (and apparently some also during...) it seems that the only thing that keeps the engines off places 1-100 on the Elolist is that they're not human. Musicians and artists still create something while chess is increasingly turning into a memory game.
Chinese Go may also be solvable by computers eventually, but here the grandmasters haven't sold out and assisted the programmers - or at least not as much as in chess.
I agree that chess is becoming more and more a memory game, but I was refering myself to the initial appeal to people, who in general like arts. Usually, people who like arts (music, painting etc) or math likes chess. The reason someone starts to like chess is in my view not because it is a memory contest but more about beautiful combinations etc.
From what I know about Go, it is much more complex for a computer to solve it because there is no diferent piece values like in chess and the strategy part is more abstract to the machines "understanding" and maybe the players not assisting programmers plays a certain role too, but the possible variations or moves are much more higher than chess.
Quote:MNb - What about not allowing irregular visitors to the playing hall at all? Didn't we have demonstration boards in the past? It used to be charming, all those spectators so close to the top-GM's, but we live in the 21st Century now.
It still will be a problem for lesser tournaments of course.
Yes, that could be a possibility. Chess world needs to think about this carefully. It could be a bit cold to see an empty atmosphere and could exist logistic problems to certain tournaments. The Cube in glass of Bilbao comes to mind and a diferent solution to lesser tournaments.
Quote:Or maybe it's because there are lots of Chinese, who averagely aren't any less intelligent than other people.
The number is indeed important to find quality and they aren´t less intelligent too. Several tests about intelligence of white, black and chinese populations showed that all people could achieve the same levels but the important point that makes the diference is the cultural background and certain populations lost themselves wasting time for example in gangs culture in their youth. This is a controversial subject but tests in several universities showed that chinese achieve better results in studies and that is because of better discipline and reading a lot since their youth.
Quote: Antillian - Soon all chess players will have to bring urinals to avoid having to go the bathroom.
In tennis whenever a player goes to toillet, an arbiter always go with him. Maybe chess needs to put some guy in the toillet to control.
It will have two purposes: Could end up scandals like toillet World Championship too...