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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #10 - 03/16/11 at 23:36:12
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I thought that 3.Nd2 c5! 4.exd5 Qxd5! is the "problem" for a White player of the Tarrasch variation today. So, why not try it for Black? The theory is much less than 3...Nf6 and the whole line is probably more sound (i have the feeling, that is backed up by some analysis, that the "Salto Mortale" variation gives White an edge after 3..Nf6)

And please don't play 3.exd5 Qxd5? because after c4 (now or after Nf3) White has a healthy +/= (close to +/-). After 3...exd5 Black's winning chances are not that bad.
  
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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #9 - 03/16/11 at 22:23:29
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Willempie: I've always thought 3...Qxd5 was just bad, but I remember seeing a snippet in the Wonderful Winawer where Moskalenko followed up 4.Nc3 Bb4 with the plan ...Bc8-d7-b5 to trade off White's good Bishop.  This is the only plan that tries to make a virtue of Black's move order (instead of just settling for a poor Scandinavian) and I might take a look at it later.  Still, I think I'll stick to 3...exd5.

Any tips on choosing between the Classical and Winawer?  Any particular lines giving Black problems, etc?  I guess the Classical is closer in spirit to 3.Nd2 Nf6--not that that matters much.
  
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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #8 - 03/16/11 at 21:41:33
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If you have problems in the exchange against weaker players, try 3..Qxd5. It isnt that much worse than the Qxd5 line in the Tarrasch (the one with c5) and imo also not worse than the scandinavian as you have an immedate Bb4 available on Nc3, but that may be because I have little respect for that opening. 

Still I wouldnt recommend using it as your mainstay as 3..exd5 equalises on the spot.
  

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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #7 - 03/16/11 at 17:59:23
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rukh wrote on 03/16/11 at 10:18:40:
MNb wrote on 03/15/11 at 17:42:20:

I began to play the French the moment I was convinced that the Exchange was not a problem. Castle queenside like Alekhine did. It demands some preparation - especially to learn when to play ...Qd7 and when ...Qh4 - but you should be able to overrun weaker players with it. Of course after 4.c4 you'll massage the IQP a la Nimzovitch.
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I've been playing online this queenside castling in the Exchange, starting like Uhlmann in his Winning with the French, but my attack is usually slower than white's unless he plays something bad like h3 or Bg5. Are there other good sources? There's also a game in The Flexible French on this line, but there black exchanges the light square bishops and the queens.

Watson's Play the French 3 is still my main source on the 4.Bd3 Nc6 line, do you have that?. He also gives the interesting 4.c4 Bb4+ 5.Nc3 Ne7 (also suggested by Burgess in "101 Opening Surprises"). Against the third main move 4.Nf3 I depart from Watson's lines with 4...Nc6 (5.Bb5 Bd6 6.c4 dxc4 7.d5 a6 etc) as covered by McDonald in "How to Play against 1.e4", Watson gives instead both 4...Bd6 followed by ...c6, and 4...Bg4.
  

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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #6 - 03/16/11 at 17:17:12
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rukh wrote on 03/16/11 at 10:18:40:
Are there other good sources?

Not that I'm aware of. Playing through a dozen of games should be a good start though, assuming that you have a database.
  

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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #5 - 03/16/11 at 15:35:07
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I'll definitely consider subscribing, especially if there is some quality stuff on the Exchange and that Tarrasch 3...Nf6 and 10...Bd6 line.  Actually I just picked up How to Beat the French Defence by  Tzermiadianos and it looks excellent.  After going through that book I'll probably understand the positions a lot more.

The one reason I hesitate to subscribe is that I really dislike studying chess on my computer.  I'm probably in the minority these days, but I really prefer having a good book and a board in front of me instead of sitting in front of a computer monitor.  When I subscribed to a couple sections in the past (never the French) I found the information very good but disliked the medium and ended up rarely using it.  Also, my wife monopolizes the computer with her grad school studies...still, I'll definitely consider it.
  
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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #4 - 03/16/11 at 10:18:40
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MNb wrote on 03/15/11 at 17:42:20:

I began to play the French the moment I was convinced that the Exchange was not a problem. Castle queenside like Alekhine did. It demands some preparation - especially to learn when to play ...Qd7 and when ...Qh4 - but you should be able to overrun weaker players with it. Of course after 4.c4 you'll massage the IQP a la Nimzovitch.
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I've been playing online this queenside castling in the Exchange, starting like Uhlmann in his Winning with the French, but my attack is usually slower than white's unless he plays something bad like h3 or Bg5. Are there other good sources? There's also a game in The Flexible French on this line, but there black exchanges the light square bishops and the queens.
  
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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #3 - 03/15/11 at 17:42:20
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ErictheRed wrote on 03/15/11 at 15:04:52:
In the line with 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Bd3, any pointers on which variation Black should choose?  10...Bd6, 10...Qc7

This one is the sharpest. My results with it are fine. In fact I am unbeaten against the Tarrasch, both OTB and in corr. chess. You may consider to subscribe. McDonald offers excellent analysis of this stuff, of much higher quality than in the books I know from him. 

ErictheRed wrote on 03/15/11 at 15:04:52:
The Exchange is a perennial problem against weaker players; maybe I'll just stick to the Sicilian when I face them...

I began to play the French the moment I was convinced that the Exchange was not a problem. Castle queenside like Alekhine did. It demands some preparation - especially to learn when to play ...Qd7 and when ...Qh4 - but you should be able to overrun weaker players with it. Of course after 4.c4 you'll massage the IQP a la Nimzovitch.

My big problem is 3.Nc3 and unfortunately most of my opponents seem to know.

ErictheRed wrote on 03/15/11 at 15:04:52:
Any other theoretical sources I should get (Vitiugov)?Thanks in advance!

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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #2 - 03/15/11 at 16:59:58
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cf books - have you got either the Psakhis series (Batsford), or Pedersen for Gambit? Fractionally old now perhaps but useful comprehensive overviews. Especially if you're choosing lines.
(chesspub great to supplement of course.).

I think 3..Nf6 might be a tiny problem if you're really after winning chances vs very deep preparation. Think thats basically why stuff like 3..Be7 etc started to appear Smiley

Suspect that the really deep/random Qc7 stuff might be the best try. 10.. Bd6 might just about be analysed out.

As for 3 Nc3, I'd just try and have a few options for safeties sake. I don't really 'like' the classical much myself but thats feel based not anything concrete.
(Bxe7, f4 and an eventual o-o does seem fairly easy/safe for white to play and not utterly harmless.).
  
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Re: French Defence--State of Theory
Reply #1 - 03/15/11 at 15:22:07
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@ Exchange variation: Study the games of experts like Kindermann, Uhlmann, Kortschnoi, etc.
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C00-C19: French Defence--State of Theory
03/15/11 at 15:04:52
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I'm taking up the French again after 10 years off or so, at least as a backup to the Sicilian but possibly as my main defence to 1.e4.  I have the following resources: Mastering the French by McDonald and that other guy, Play the French 3 by Watson, The Flexible French and Wonderful Winawer by Moskalenko, and Ziegler's DVD.  

I'm just hoping you experts can give me some advice for choosing lines.  I'll probably play the Winawer and am thinking of the Black Queen's Blues; a long time ago I played either 7...0-0 or the Poisoned Pawn.  I'm also open to playing the Classical along the lines of Ziegler's DVD; any opinions?

Against the Advance either 5...Bd7, 5...Nge7, or 5...Qb6 all seem perfectly viable to me; I'll just play each one and decide from there.

So far in casual and blitz games, I'm having the most trouble meeting the Tarrasch.  In the line with 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Bd3, any pointers on which variation Black should choose?  10...Bd6, 10...Qc7, Watson's old early ...Qb6, something else?  Ziegler's lines all seem slightly better for White with not a lot of winning chances for Black.  Checking The Flexible French, I thought Moskalenko glossed over some of White's best moves that are recommended in the old Chess Advantage in Black and White by Kaufmann.  I know Simon Williams advocates this system as Black, maybe I'll get his DVDs.

Of course, against the Tarrasch there's also 3...c5, 3...Be7, etc., but I'd like to make 3...Nf6 work.  

The Exchange is a perennial problem against weaker players; maybe I'll just stick to the Sicilian when I face them...

Any other theoretical sources I should get (Vitiugov)?Thanks in advance!
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