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gwnn Senior Member Offline Posts: 472 Joined: 03/21/11	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #7 - 04/03/11 at 13:17:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	gewgaw wrote on 04/02/11 at 22:34:45: Actually, how much theoretical battles did you ever have otb. Under 2200 all players play everything, except of real hot theory stuff. I know some theory, but the lines I know rarely occur otb and when I feel a young opponent knows hisher bookstuff, I deviate. I played a blitz game against a 2000 player. I had White, played 13 moves of (quite mainline) theory, then thought for 3 seconds, played something and resigned after her reply. (I'm rated 1640)


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #6 - 04/02/11 at 23:40:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	gwnn wrote on 04/02/11 at 13:40:45: Two related questions about OTB chess. -How fast do you play when you're firmly in your opening preparation? My coach used to tell me never to move faster than 15 seconds (except time trouble). -Is it obvious to your opponent when you're out of your book or do you gradually start thinking more and more? Is it a good idea to try to mask this transition, e.g. by thinking forward in positions where you already know what you'll move? a) I used to play all the moves in my opening preparation at machine-gun rapidity, but now I tend to take about 15 seconds on each move in my preparation. b) Often I will think a little bit before I am out of book, in order to decide between particular variations.

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gewgaw God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 687 Location: europe Joined: 09/09/04	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #5 - 04/02/11 at 22:34:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Actually, how much theoretical battles did you ever have otb. Under 2200 all players play everything, except of real hot theory stuff. I know some theory, but the lines I know rarely occur otb and when I feel a young opponent knows hisher bookstuff, I deviate.

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #4 - 04/02/11 at 21:42:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Paddy wrote on 04/02/11 at 21:15:28: "Yes, I knew it was forced, but I was thinking about the follow up." This is a bit crazy, since the position on the board is always going to be clearer than the position that was in their head, so they should get the forced move out of the way first. Moreover they could think about the follow up while their opponent's clock is running, thus saving time.

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Paddy God Member Offline The truth will out! Posts: 965 Location: Manchester Joined: 01/10/03 Gender:	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #3 - 04/02/11 at 21:15:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	On a related imatter, forced moves should be made quickly, after just a brief check that they are really forced and that there is no strong zwischenzug. Yet I have seen players think for ages at such points; when asked about it later, they usually say something like, "Yes, I knew it was forced, but I was thinking about the follow up." This is a bit crazy, since the position on the board is always going to be clearer than the position that was in their head, so they should get the forced move out of the way first.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #2 - 04/02/11 at 20:23:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think it depends to quite a large extent who you're playing. If you're playing the same small group of opponents every other tournament, as the top 10 players do, then playing rather quickly through the opening makes sense. If you're playing in a weekend Swiss, the traps and pitfalls of various move orders may encourage you to slow down from time to time. This slowing down does two things: a) it gives you a chance to verify your own repertoire and b) it gives your opponent the critical opportunity to think about his own choices and sow doubt into what surprises you may have lurking. A classic time gambit is to slow down about 2-3 moves before your prepared brilliant novelty. This will give your opponent the impression that you're out of book and may respond less accurately to your silicon-checked brilliancy. But another general rule is that time is a precious commodity which shouldn't be wasted, David Bronstein's (and Sammy Reshevsky's) examples not withstanding.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Out of the book.. Reply #1 - 04/02/11 at 13:53:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	gwnn wrote on 04/02/11 at 13:40:45: -How fast do you play when you're firmly in your opening preparation? My coach used to tell me never to move faster than 15 seconds (except time trouble). Good advise. I usually take a bit more, contemplating what kind of position I want to reach and making sure that I don't mix up move orders. gwnn wrote on 04/02/11 at 13:40:45: -Is it obvious to your opponent when you're out of your book or do you gradually start thinking more and more? I don't know if it's obvious to my opponent. I very much like the Soviet idea of critical points. In every game there is at least one. Then I spend considerable time, because my choice will determine the way the rest of the game will go. The first critical point might be when I'm out of my book, but it might also be a bit later. gwnn wrote on 04/02/11 at 13:40:45: -Is it a good idea to try to mask this transition, e.g. by thinking forward in positions where you already know what you'll move? Doesn't look like to me. The deeper you look the harder it becomes to visualize the position, the bigger the chance you'll make a mistake. If your move is obvious or if you're sure, just play it and thén begin thinking forward. I like to keep things simple. The critical, difficult and important moves need most time.

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gwnn Senior Member Offline Posts: 472 Joined: 03/21/11	Out of the book.. 04/02/11 at 13:40:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Two related questions about OTB chess. -How fast do you play when you're firmly in your opening preparation? My coach used to tell me never to move faster than 15 seconds (except time trouble). -Is it obvious to your opponent when you're out of your book or do you gradually start thinking more and more? Is it a good idea to try to mask this transition, e.g. by thinking forward in positions where you already know what you'll move?


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