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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #16 - 04/13/11 at 10:38:51
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TN wrote on 04/05/11 at 02:00:07:

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but here's a basic repertoire to get you going:

Nimzo-Indian:

4.Qc2 0-0 5.a3 Bc3 6.Qc3 Ne4 7.Qc2 f5
4.Qc2 0-0 5.e4 d5 6.e5 Ne4
4.e3 b6 5.Bd3 Bb7 6.Nf3 0-0 7.0-0 d5
4.e3 b6 5.Nge2 Bb7
4.Nf3 0-0 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 c5
4.f3 0-0 5.a3 Bc3 6.bc3 Nh5
4.a3 Bc3 5.bc3 c5 6.e3 b6
4.Bg5 h6 5.Bh4 c5 6.d5 b5
4.g3 d5 5.Bg2 0-0 6.Nf3 dc4 7.0-0 Nc6
4.Qb3 c5 5.dc5 Nc6

Bogo-Indian:
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Freelix wrote on 04/05/11 at 16:20:27:
How does Vera's compare with TN's basic repertoire above?


Vera's recommendations for Black (  Smiley : TN recommends it too.)  

4.Qc2 d5 5.a3 Bxc3 6.Qc3 Ne4 (some notes about Black's alternatives) 7.Qc2 c5
4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 c5 7.dxc5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 

4.Qc2 0-0 5.a3 Bxc3 6.Qxc3 b6 7.Bg5 Bb7 
                5.e4 d5    6.e5 Ne4  Smiley
 
 
4.e3 0-0 5.Bd3 d5 6.Nf3 c5 7.0-0 dxc4 8. Bxc4 Nbd7 (5.a3, 5.Ne2, 6.a3, 6.cxd5 and 6.Ne2 are covered)  

4.Nf3 c5 5.g3 cxd4 6.Nxd4 Ne4 
                            6.           0-0 7.Bg2 d5          

4.f3 Nc6 5.e4 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.e5 Ng8 
4.    0-0 5.a3 Bxc3 6.bxc3 Nh5    Smiley 

4.a3 Bxc3 5.bxc3 b6 6.f3 Nc6 7.e4 Ba6 

4.Bg5 h6  5.Bh4 c5 6.d5 Bxc3 7. bxc3 d6 
                              6.   b5      Smiley   

4.g3 d5 5.Bg2 0-0 6.Nf3 dc4 7.0-0 Nc6 Smiley

4.Qb3 c5 5.dc5 Nc6  Smiley

Vera's tips against offbeat tries: 
4.Bd2 (below expert level quite popular!) d5 
4.Qd3 c5 
4.e4 Nxe4 5.Qg4 Nxc3 6.a3 (6.Qxg7 Qf6!) Be7 

IMHO I would prefer most of TN's rep, but I like Vera's book very much, too:   

4.e3 
I play 4.e3 0-0 5.Bd3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.Ne2 
against the Nimzo with good success
(sources: Keene's old 1.d4 rep-book and Vera) 
As Black I like  4.e3 c5 5.Bd3 Nc6 6.Nf3 Bxc3 but again White can avoid this easily with 5.Ne2 or 6.Ne2. 
I conclude it is most difficult for White to prepare against 4.e3 b6. 

4.Qc2: 
4.Qc2 d6 (ala Bogo-Indian) is unambitous, maybe +=, 
but solid and untheoretical. 
4.Qc2 0-0 5.a3 Bxc3 6. Qxc3 Ne4 7.Qc2 f5 
needs preparation for Black and White. 
    
4.Nf3 0-0 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 c5 looks a bit provocative.  I don't know this line, but I think some serious preparation is necessary to play like this with Black.
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #15 - 04/11/11 at 01:34:20
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Freelix wrote on 04/10/11 at 15:44:37:
Dearing also wrote a well-received repertoire book on the Nimzo. I read pieces of it, and it does have some good explanations. Also, he often suggests schemes based on d5, which are generally overlooked by newcomers that are trying too hard to avoid QGD-style positions.

Still, it bugs me that IM Dearing is not playing this opening with Black, unlike Emms and Kosten. After writing a whole book on the subject, why not make use of all this knowledge?  Huh


Bent Larsen once said that writing a book on an opening meant that you would not play it anymore.  Grin

I recall that Avrukh didn't play many of his recommendations in Grandmaster Repertoire 1 just after it was published, in order to avoid the preparation of his opponents. 
  

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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #14 - 04/10/11 at 15:44:37
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Dearing also wrote a well-received repertoire book on the Nimzo. I read pieces of it, and it does have some good explanations. Also, he often suggests schemes based on d5, which are generally overlooked by newcomers that are trying too hard to avoid QGD-style positions.

Still, it bugs me that IM Dearing is not playing this opening with Black, unlike Emms and Kosten. After writing a whole book on the subject, why not make use of all this knowledge?  Huh
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #13 - 04/09/11 at 14:04:43
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After some random googling I found that there is an other Nimzo Indian book that will be realesed this year. It is called "The Nimzo-Indian: Move by Move" by John Emms. Might be interesting.
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #12 - 04/08/11 at 14:13:56
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Paddy wrote on 04/08/11 at 10:38:53:
fling wrote on 04/08/11 at 05:21:46:
Paddy wrote on 04/08/11 at 00:34:46:
In a similar thread it was mentioned that Tony Kosten's book "Mastering The Nimzo-Indian with the read and play method" is one of the very best starting points for the study of the various typical structures that can arise from the Nimzo. It contains the most valuable sort of chess knowledge - the sort  that does not go out of date!


Interesting. I like the Mastering-format, and just ordered Mastering The KI and also Mastering the Benko and Modern Benoni, even though they are 20 years old. I have Mastering the French and Mastering the Spanish in addition to Mastering the Nimzo. This book is very thin and to me not as good as the other ones.


Very thin? Surely that's an advantage?  Wink

Seriously, it's a very good place to start, which I always recommend to any of my students who are interested in including the Nimzo in their repertoire.

The main virtue of the Nimzo is its structural flexibility, but this can also make it very bewildering for newcomers to it. The Kosten book teaches the basics of all the most important Nimzo structures, providing a framework of knowledge on which the detail can be hung later, using one of the several more detailed Nimzo books, or simply a good database.


I guess thin can be both good and bad. I don't like too skinny  Wink

Sorry, I should have clarified that more. On an opening like the Nimzo, I felt that there should be more coverage. As is provided in both the Mastering the Spanish and the French. But I have to admit it has been a while since I read in any of these books. I might have to revisit my opinion about them, since I am actually planning on playing more of the three openings! (going from 1.c4 or 1.d4 to 1.e4 , and from 1.d4 d5 to 1.d4 Nf6, maybe)
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #11 - 04/08/11 at 12:30:24
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I can add that "Winning Chess Middlegames: An Essential Guide to Pawn Structures" covers structures that result of all d pawn opening, including many Nimzo structures. 

However Kostens book is better on Nimzo Indian but Sokolovs is better alround since it increases general positional understanding and these books complement each other very well.
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #10 - 04/08/11 at 10:38:53
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fling wrote on 04/08/11 at 05:21:46:
Paddy wrote on 04/08/11 at 00:34:46:
In a similar thread it was mentioned that Tony Kosten's book "Mastering The Nimzo-Indian with the read and play method" is one of the very best starting points for the study of the various typical structures that can arise from the Nimzo. It contains the most valuable sort of chess knowledge - the sort  that does not go out of date!


Interesting. I like the Mastering-format, and just ordered Mastering The KI and also Mastering the Benko and Modern Benoni, even though they are 20 years old. I have Mastering the French and Mastering the Spanish in addition to Mastering the Nimzo. This book is very thin and to me not as good as the other ones.


Very thin? Surely that's an advantage?  Wink

Seriously, it's a very good place to start, which I always recommend to any of my students who are interested in including the Nimzo in their repertoire.

The main virtue of the Nimzo is its structural flexibility, but this can also make it very bewildering for newcomers to it. The Kosten book teaches the basics of all the most important Nimzo structures, providing a framework of knowledge on which the detail can be hung later, using one of the several more detailed Nimzo books, or simply a good database.
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #9 - 04/08/11 at 05:21:46
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Paddy wrote on 04/08/11 at 00:34:46:
In a similar thread it was mentioned that Tony Kosten's book "Mastering The Nimzo-Indian with the read and play method" is one of the very best starting points for the study of the various typical structures that can arise from the Nimzo. It contains the most valuable sort of chess knowledge - the sort  that does not go out of date!


Interesting. I like the Mastering-format, and just ordered Mastering The KI and also Mastering the Benko and Modern Benoni, even though they are 20 years old. I have Mastering the French and Mastering the Spanish in addition to Mastering the Nimzo. This book is very thin and to me not as good as the other ones.
  
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In a similar thread it was mentioned that Tony Kosten's book "Mastering The Nimzo-Indian with the read and play method" is one of the very best starting points for the study of the various typical structures that can arise from the Nimzo. It contains the most valuable sort of chess knowledge - the sort  that does not go out of date!
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #7 - 04/07/11 at 08:28:01
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piefr1 wrote on 04/05/11 at 22:27:45:
thank you all
i will subscribe here. I used to play the dutch leningrad but i 'm starting to understand that i take too much risk even against weaker player 


I also used to play the Leningrad Dutch for many years but never realy liked several anti dutch lines and then things happened in Leningrad mainline as well so I switched to a Nimzo/Bogo combo at the end of last autumn and I like my position more than I ever liked any dutch position.
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
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thank you all
i will subscribe here. I used to play the dutch leningrad but i 'm starting to understand that i take too much risk even against weaker player
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #5 - 04/05/11 at 20:19:40
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Veras book is not a repertoure book. It shows many interesting and instructive games and explaineds the idea behind each subvariation and it is usufull in that way but not complete repertour book. I give it 4 of 5.

Also,  GM Makarov is witting two new books, one book on Nimzo Indian and one book on Bogo Indian/Bogo Catalan/and some white diversions. They have for some reason become delayed according to Chess stars site.

Also, About Bogo Indian, there are very few books on the subject att all.
  
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Reply #4 - 04/05/11 at 16:20:27
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How does Vera's compare with TN's basic repertoire above?
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #3 - 04/05/11 at 10:01:09
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I like Vera's Chess Explained - The Nimzo-Indian. I'm 1900 and I felt it contained just the right amount of information to start playing it. It's the most recent nimzo book, but two more will be published this year.
  
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Re: learn the nimzo/bogo
Reply #2 - 04/05/11 at 08:14:01
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If you like to learn Nimzo I can recommend "Winning Chess Middlegames: An Essential Guide to Pawn Structures" by Ivan Sokolov. Tony Kostens book "Mastering the Nimzo Indian with the read and play method" was also very good. These books are about ideas. However, the chesspub ebooks while get you going pretty fast and these books can be read later.
  
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