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Reply #16 - 04/19/11 at 00:21:24
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BPaulsen wrote on 04/18/11 at 23:36:16:
Finally, I agree with Markovich - the Slav and Caro-Kann have nothing common as far as pawn structures go if you're taking white's pawns into account as well.


Finally you and I agree as well  Tongue
  
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Reply #15 - 04/19/11 at 00:15:28
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BPaulsen wrote on 04/18/11 at 23:36:16:

Pirc/Modern - 4. Be3 or Accelerated Classical. Both are simple enough to play for club players.

A slight downside to 4.Be3 is that Black faces it so often and should be well-prepared. The same is true of the Austrian attack (my own choice as White) and the good old Be2-Classical (whose popularity baffles me - why not test Black with something more critical?!).

Two lines that I think are neglected on club level are the Byrne attack 4.Bg5, and 4.g3. The former is sharp and critical, yet mysteriously rare. While 4.g3 is more of a psychological weapon: It leads to calmer positions than Black perhaps wanted. It's also a line where White can get by without knowing lots of theory.

It's a common view that 4.Bg5 is less dangerous against the Modern, so maybe White players shy away from it thinking they would have to learn a different line for the Modern move order anyway. If White wants to fianchetto, 4.Nge2! is the most accurate way to reach it against the Modern.
  

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Reply #14 - 04/18/11 at 23:36:16
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In regards to the Caro-Kann, I think the Advance is viable for club players if they use 4. h4. White's play is simple/thematic enough, and while black can equalize with good play, it also tends to be unorthodox, which in turn gives it value at the club level where many players aren't going to find the moves that are atypical for the C-K. Any opening variation that puts the onus on black to demonstrate foreknowledge while retaining easy plans is a good choice (similar to why I often recommend 6. cxd5 in the Cambridge Springs).

Two Knights is the other common recommendation just for straightforward chess, but black doesn't really have to do anything special to equalize/get a fully playable game.

In regards to the French - 3. Nc3 all day, every day. Exchange Winawer has plenty of punch at club level (of course there's plenty of other options as well, ie: 4. Nge2), and 4. Bg5 (using Alekhine-Chatard, 6. Be3 MacCutcheon, etc.) tends to just be natural to play for white players.

Pirc/Modern - 4. Be3 or Accelerated Classical. Both are simple enough to play for club players.

Sicilian - Open is the top choice. If absolutely bent on playing Anti-Sicilians then Rossolimo versus 2...Nc6, 3. b3 (does this even have a name?) versus 2...e6, and either Moscow or the Qxd4 Open versus 2...d6 would be my picks.

Finally, I agree with Markovich - the Slav and Caro-Kann have nothing common as far as pawn structures go if you're taking white's pawns into account as well.
  

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Reply #13 - 04/18/11 at 20:55:12
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 04/18/11 at 12:57:53:
If you really want to improve, spend far less time worrying about your repertoire and do lots of tactics puzzles and study the endgame. Your opening is probably at a much higher level than the rest of your game.


I second this recommendation though with the caveat that it could be an attacking manual or some other general knowlege you were lacking before.  Before I began working through Aagaard's Attacking Manual I was blind to color weaknesses and color complexes.  I think this awareness alone is responsible for a recent increase in strength of at least 100 points.  I have not quit studying openings, but this has alot to do with the fact that I have been playing the English for most of the last 6 years and studying more of it fills in holes.  I have played the Sicilian in the same way without ever having a 'cohesive' Sicilian system.  If you play g4 versus the Slav, Kosten has a good article on it in Dangerous Weapons: Flank Openings.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 04/18/11 at 12:57:53:
My main complaint with the system is the Grand Prix Attack against the Sicilian. The Open Sicilian is indeed swimming in the deep end, but a ~1600 USCF player can learn the basics of the English Attack (the plan with f3 and g4) and learn when to apply that basic attack with good effect.

This should compliment your line against the Slav.
  
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Reply #12 - 04/18/11 at 20:35:28
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There is one and only one good reason to combine the Slav and the Caro-Kann: it allows Black to play 1.c4 c6. Big deal.

Stigma wrote on 04/18/11 at 18:40:00:
- Caro-Kann Exchange 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Bf4!? (intending c3, Nf3, Nbd2, Bd3 etc., but avoiding 4.c3 Qc7!)

Brr, I don't like this one. 4...Bf5 and White has nothing, maybe even less.
  

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Reply #11 - 04/18/11 at 20:32:56
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Far be it from me to disagree with St. Edmar.  And though that may appear to be sarcastic, it isn't.  But notwithstanding his opinion, I don't really see that the pawn structures are all that similar.  That's not the same thing as "sister openings."  (Whatever that is!)
  

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Reply #10 - 04/18/11 at 20:26:46
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Edmar Mednis was one who regarded the Caro and the Slav as "sister openings"; I'm also reminded of Andrew Soltis's chapter (in Pawn Structure Chess) on the "Caro-Slav Family."
  
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Reply #9 - 04/18/11 at 20:14:50
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Markovich wrote on 04/18/11 at 20:08:23:
No less an Alekhine guru than Bagirov played 1...Nf6 exclusively against 1.e4 and mainly the Slav against 1.d4.  So that says something, though I'm not sure what.  Probably that he thought of the Alekhine as a pretty solid opening.

But that's a load of baloney about "similar pawn structure" between the Slav and the Caro.


you won't hear disagreement from me Wink It is others who tell me they are 'sister' openings.
  
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Reply #8 - 04/18/11 at 20:08:23
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No less an Alekhine guru than Bagirov played 1...Nf6 exclusively against 1.e4 and mainly the Slav against 1.d4.  So that says something, though I'm not sure what.  Probably that he thought of the Alekhine as a pretty solid opening.

But that's a load of baloney about "similar pawn structure" between the Slav and the Caro.
  

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Reply #7 - 04/18/11 at 19:47:44
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MNb wrote on 04/18/11 at 10:40:08:
I have never understood why a repertoire should fit together. If someone enjoys the Fort Knox against 1.e4 and the Von Hennig-Schara against 1.d4, why not?
But I understand that contradictions are not virtuous.

Caro-Kann Nc3 and g4 strives for a wide open attack which you say you don't like.
GPA against the Sicilian is probably a waste of time. If you become stronger it will prove teethless. Switch to the Open Sicilian and play slightly offbeat stuff first. Davies in Taming the Sicilian (based on 6.g3) has shown it's not that much work. There are several other options; you only should avoid for the time being topical variations like the Richter-Rauser, the Jugoslav and the English Attacks.
If you like slow manoeuvring games the Classical against the Pirc is OK; I always have preferred the Argentinean Attack 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 0-0 6.0-0-0 and 7.f3. You'll be amazed how many scalps you will earn on a 1600 level.

You should either take up the Tarrasch or the Open Games as Black. Mastering open positions with active piece play is mandatory on our level if you want to improve.


I want to echo this point. I play the Slav vs 1. d4 so everyone tells me then I must play the Caro Kann against 1. e4 because of the similar pawn structure. But I hate the Caro Kann. And I love 1... e5 so I don't play the Caro Kann. I have taken lots of flak for this over the years that my 'repertoire' does not fit together. But it doesn't have to. If you enjoy an opening, you will experience better results with it.
  
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Reply #6 - 04/18/11 at 18:40:00
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If we are at 1600-1700 level I would avoid the Advance against both the French and the Caro. White may think he is grabbing space and preparing an attack, but 3.e5 is usually what Black players hope for, and play best. The exceptions may be the French Milner-Barry Gambit, especially with 9.Nbd2 where Black has to be very careful, and the Caro-Kann Short system which looks deceptively calm but if Black doesn't know a concrete setup he can get into trouble very quickly.

I suggest instead:

Aggressive:
- French Two Knights  (references Moskalenko: The Flexible French, This Bücker article http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss63.pdf, the Kaissiber theory competition thread http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1238509160/all and maybe the "Jackal" site/book http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adrianskelton/)

- Caro-Kann Fantasy variation (3.f3!?) as presented in, for example, Davies' Gambiteer 1 and Gallagher's Starting Out: The Caro-Kann. This line is recently popular at the very top level with Nepomniachtchi, Ivanchuk and others.

Solid:
- French Tarrasch (the repertoire from Kaufman's The Chess Advantage in Black and White, or the Smagin line 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Ngf3 Nc6 7.Nb3)

- Caro-Kann Exchange 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Bf4!? (intending c3, Nf3, Nbd2, Bd3 etc., but avoiding 4.c3 Qc7!)

In the Sicilian, there's no law that says you have to play either Anti-Sicilians or Open Sicilians exclusively, you can mix and match. For example:

- 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4! (there aren't really any exciting antis here) and play the English Attack (Be3, f3) against the Najdorf, Scheveningen and Classical, maybe starting with 6.Bg5 against the latter and playing f3 whenever feasible. De la Villa's Dismantling the Sicilian is a good guide. 
I would actually suggest avoiding the Be3/f3 setup against the Dragon; below 2000 Dragon players are much more likely than even Najdorf players to be booked up on and hoping for this. Play the calmer 6.Bc4 lines with h3/Be3/0-0 instead and watch their frustration.

- 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3!?
- 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3!? These will trip up quite a few Black players who haven't planned their repertoires carefully enough. Here I speak from bitter experience!

- Alternatively the Rossolimo 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 is probably a better try for advantage objectively, and annoys most Sicilian players. There's a great Chessbase DVD by Bologan on it.

- 2.Nf3 a6 3.c3
- 2.Nf3 g6 here I don't believe in 3.c3, so: 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4!? or just play the 4.Nxd4 Bg7 5.Nc3 main line, which fits well with 6.Bc4 against the Dragon.
  

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Reply #5 - 04/18/11 at 12:57:53
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Spree K wrote on 04/17/11 at 15:03:15:
I'm not sure I like some of the more complex lines in your repertoire, e.g., the Advance Caro, the Advance French, the Schveningen, etc. It might be better to go for simpler, open alternatives until you get a little better, like 2 knights Caro, Tarrasch French, 1... e5 etc.


The French Tarrasch is simpler than the Advance French? Not in my experience.

The Advance Caro-Kann is also quite easy to learn. There are many ways to play it for White. If a ~1600 USCF player learns just one main line it should be just fine.

My main complaint with the system is the Grand Prix Attack against the Sicilian. The Open Sicilian is indeed swimming in the deep end, but a ~1600 USCF player can learn the basics of the English Attack (the plan with f3 and g4) and learn when to apply that basic attack with good effect. 

MNb's suggestion of g3 Open Sicilians also works. There are move order problems there too though. (Nothing's ever easy in chess.)

So your White systems make sense to me, with the caveat that you should play the Open Sicilian instead of the GPA.

As Black, I like that you are considering switching to the Tarrasch. The Tartakower is too passive for most 1600 players. It's a very difficult opening to play well for the win.

If I were to recommend any Sicilian to a ~1600 player, it would be the Taimanov. I know Markovich will say that you must play 1...e5. I agree with him that 1...e5 is best for your rating level, but you could also consider the French. 

Overall, your repertoire is appropriate for your level of chess. 

If you really want to improve, spend far less time worrying about your repertoire and do lots of tactics puzzles and study the endgame. Your opening is probably at a much higher level than the rest of your game.
  
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Reply #4 - 04/18/11 at 10:40:08
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I have never understood why a repertoire should fit together. If someone enjoys the Fort Knox against 1.e4 and the Von Hennig-Schara against 1.d4, why not?
But I understand that contradictions are not virtuous.

Caro-Kann Nc3 and g4 strives for a wide open attack which you say you don't like.
GPA against the Sicilian is probably a waste of time. If you become stronger it will prove teethless. Switch to the Open Sicilian and play slightly offbeat stuff first. Davies in Taming the Sicilian (based on 6.g3) has shown it's not that much work. There are several other options; you only should avoid for the time being topical variations like the Richter-Rauser, the Jugoslav and the English Attacks.
If you like slow manoeuvring games the Classical against the Pirc is OK; I always have preferred the Argentinean Attack 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 0-0 6.0-0-0 and 7.f3. You'll be amazed how many scalps you will earn on a 1600 level.

You should either take up the Tarrasch or the Open Games as Black. Mastering open positions with active piece play is mandatory on our level if you want to improve.
  

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Reply #3 - 04/18/11 at 08:40:05
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My repertoire has been always a 'mess' in the way you describe it, but I think it was a good educational tool afterall. I mean it is a good thing to be exposed to different positions (closed, open, isolani, etc.). You may have to solve more strategic problems and lose some games/points, but you evolve.

I agree with the poster above that it is a good idea to switch to the Open Sicilian. I have postponed it for a long time and it gets harder & harder to switch when you become stronger and start to face stronger opposition (you will then really need to book up a bit..).

Another note on the French & Caro Advance. I use the same idea (in the C-K I play the Short system with Nf3) as I thought that I may end up playing similar positions. But that is not entirely true. If you feel like changing one of these openings do so, but don't throw away the Advance Variations (keep them as a secondary weapon).

All in all:
- I would keep your repertoire as it is and work on other things, like the endgame or tactics, or strategy.
- I would not avoid (on the contrary welcome) open & wild positions.
- I would consider the Open Sicilian, without much work on particular lines (just choose the set-ups you like as White).
- If you still insist in adopting a new opening (for fun, fresh ideas etc.), I would pick up only 1 at a time (e.g. only the French, not the French and the C-K at the same time).

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Reply #2 - 04/17/11 at 15:54:59
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I'm around your strenght as a player, and i have recently switched to the tarrasch QGD with very good results. Against the french i used to be an advance player, but now i feel more comfortable with Nc3. I think that also a switch to the open sicilians would be advisable.
  
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