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Re: Why a5 is not the standard move in 9.Ne1 variation
Reply #5 - 10/19/11 at 15:32:23
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In the 9. Ne1 KID, White doesn't want to play b4 at all unless there's a compelling reason to do so.  His ideal plan is to play for c4-c5 and Rc1-c7 without advancing too many pawns, since his attack is intended to be conducted with pieces, in particular that Rook on c7.  The goal is a major-piece invasion, not a pawn storm.  Of course, sometimes White has to fall back on pawn advances, for instance if ....a5 and ...b6 are played, but generally he prefers to play c4-c5 supported by pieces.
  
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Re: Why a5 is not the standard move in 9.Ne1 variation
Reply #4 - 10/19/11 at 12:44:50
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I supose this 9...a5 should be dobious...just to try to justify this idea i would try 10...b6!? instead 10...Nd7. And if 11.a3 then 11...a4, when white can't take in a4 because e4 is hanging so white has to play an useful waiting move or prepare a3-b4 with 11.b3, but he has lost some time as well.
I also would prefer 10. Be3. If 10.Nd3 c6!? maybe is interesting. As a rule white has to keep an eye in the centre when the knight stays in d3. Now a neutral move like 11. a3 (acording to plan) can be countered with 11...b5 and black shouldn't be worse here.
  
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Re: Why a5 is not the standard move in 9.Ne1 variation
Reply #3 - 05/29/11 at 16:32:13
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LeeRoth wrote on 05/29/11 at 13:48:11:
raja wrote on 05/29/11 at 12:57:27:
Hi guys... in 9.Nd2 variation people say that 9.a5! equalises but why the same 9.a5 does not work with 9.Ne1 variation? Undecided


After 9.Nd2, White hopes to play b4,c5,Nc4.  Black plays 9..a5 to hinder this plan.  You'll note that the Nd2 blocks the Bc1 and leaves the Ra1 unprotected.  So, after Black plays 9..a5, for White to play b4, he must use two moves:  a3 and then Rb1 to get the Ra1 off of the a-file.  This is considered a good trade for Black.  He expends one move (..a5) to make White play two moves (a3, Rb1).  

In the 9.Ne1 variation, there is nothing blocking the Bc1, so White responds to 9..a5, with 10.Be3 and can now get in the move b4 without having to play Ra1-b1.  Play might go, for example, 10.. Nd7 11.a3 f5 12.f3 Kh8 13.b4, etc.  In the classical King's Indian, with attacks raging on opposite sides of the board, that one tempo can make a big difference.

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Re: Why a5 is not the standard move in 9.Ne1 variation
Reply #2 - 05/29/11 at 15:19:25
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LeeRoth's line is given in 'The Classical King's Indian Uncovered', however I think White should try and get c5 in before preparing the b4 break: 10.Nd3 Nd7 11.Be3 f5 12.f3 f4 13.Bf2 b6 (13...g5 14.c5! leaves the b5-square as a glaring weakness) 14.a3 g5 15.b4 and White is comfortably better. Compared to LeeRoth's line, White's dark-squared bishop is more active, and Black has played the weakening ...b6. It's instructive to note that this position could also arise via. 9...Nd7 10.Be3 f5 11.f3 f4 12.Bf2 g5 13.Nd3 b6?! 14.b4 a5 15.a3.
  

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Re: Why a5 is not the standard move in 9.Ne1 variation
Reply #1 - 05/29/11 at 13:48:11
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raja wrote on 05/29/11 at 12:57:27:
Hi guys... in 9.Nd2 variation people say that 9.a5! equalises but why the same 9.a5 does not work with 9.Ne1 variation? Undecided


After 9.Nd2, White hopes to play b4,c5,Nc4.  Black plays 9..a5 to hinder this plan.  You'll note that the Nd2 blocks the Bc1 and leaves the Ra1 unprotected.  So, after Black plays 9..a5, for White to play b4, he must use two moves:  a3 and then Rb1 to get the Ra1 off of the a-file.  This is considered a good trade for Black.  He expends one move (..a5) to make White play two moves (a3, Rb1).  

In the 9.Ne1 variation, there is nothing blocking the Bc1, so White responds to 9..a5, with 10.Be3 and can now get in the move b4 without having to play Ra1-b1.  Play might go, for example, 10.. Nd7 11.a3 f5 12.f3 Kh8 13.b4, etc.  In the classical King's Indian, with attacks raging on opposite sides of the board, that one tempo can make a big difference.

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Why a5 is not the standard move in 9.Ne1 variation
05/29/11 at 12:57:27
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Hi guys... in 9.Nd2 variation people say that 9.a5! equalises but why the same 9.a5 does not work with 9.Ne1 variation? Undecided
  
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