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Re: Nomenclature of Openings: Indian Jungle
Reply #45 - 07/09/11 at 11:17:28
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gwnn wrote on 07/09/11 at 10:38:49:
Isn't "Romanian Opening" one of the at least 10 names for 1 Nc3?

Yes, correct. A footnote for Bent Larsen's article, "Jetzt auch noch 1.Sc3...", Kaissiber 15, p. 18, listed them: Napoleon Opening, Heinrichsen Op., Baltic Op., Romanian Op., Kotrc Op., Dunst Op., Lean Op., Sleipner Op., Linksspringer-Eröffnung, Van Geet Opening. Considering the strong competition, perhaps it is time for inventive Romanians to create something new.
  
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Reply #44 - 07/09/11 at 10:38:49
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Isn't "Romanian Opening" one of the at least 10 names for 1 Nc3?
  
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Reply #43 - 07/09/11 at 10:28:01
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IIrc Suba's Dynamic Chess Strategy mentions a known variation with a different Romanian name, don't remember what the new name was though...
  
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Reply #42 - 07/09/11 at 04:58:36
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I cannot believe that no variation should be named after Bucharest. So many theoreticians are connected with this capital: Albin, Samarian, Ciocaltea, Marin ... - The Revista Română de Şah published fine theoretical articles. My Romanian is a bit rusty though.
 
Ciociltea/Samarian: Teoria moderna a deschiderilor in Şah, [no date], at least has something else to offer: "Indiana Damei" is Queen's Indian, "Indiana Benoni" is the [Modern] Benoni as we know it. Tartakower didn't combine existing opening names (Grünfeld-Verteidigung; Benoni; Budapester Gambit) with "Indian", but it seems that later authors sometimes chose the assimilated version.
  
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Reply #41 - 07/09/11 at 02:12:52
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There's a Prague variation of the QGD Tarrasch and I think, maybe of the Slav as well. There are probably some others since Prague was once a chess hub.
  
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Reply #40 - 07/09/11 at 01:50:43
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/08/11 at 22:24:47:
Stefan, who named the Westphalia Defense after a ship?  I thought it had been named after the region.


No, I recall it was a ship on which several strong players were travelling to some tournament. But I think it's the same as the Manhattan Variation.

Some other strange and not-so-strange places that have lent their names to chess variations: Breslau; Krackow (classical Italian with Kf1); Kecskemet; Novosibirsk; Chekiabinsk. Not to mention Berlin, Vienna, Belgrade and Budapest. I don't think there's ever been a Prague Variation, though. Or a Buchurest.
  

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Reply #39 - 07/09/11 at 01:17:33
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Willempie wrote on 07/08/11 at 19:23:50:
Markovich, I am a bit disappointed that you as an American QG expert dont mention the Cambridge Springs, in particular as I have never heard of the others Wink



When I posted, I distinctly recalled that there was an old American tournament site that lent its name to an important variation, but after racking my brains, I couldn't recall what it was!! Thanks for supplying that important info.

But that's particularly embarassing, since Cambridge Springs is only about 40 miles from my birthplace, Mercer, PA (just one county over). Why on earth was an important tournament ever held in a small town (population today is 2300) in Crawford County, Pennsylvania? Why not in Mercer, for crying out loud?

But for obscurity, it beats Scheveningen by a mile.lvania? Why not in Mercer, for crying out loud?

But for obscurity, it beats Scheveningen by a mile.

  

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Reply #38 - 07/08/11 at 22:37:14
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/08/11 at 22:24:47:
Stefan, who named the Westphalia Defense after a ship?  I thought it had been named after the region.


I don't remember the details, but the gist of the story I read (maybe in Shereshevsky's Mastering the Endgame, which has some excellent notes on it) was that a bunch of European players analyzed it on the way over to a tournament in New York back in the early 1900's, and it was named after the ship they were on.
  
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Stefan, who named the Westphalia Defense after a ship?  I thought it had been named after the region.
  
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Reply #36 - 07/08/11 at 22:21:16
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A good "serious" candidate should be "Clarendon Court" - does anybody here know how many people live in there?

There's another (not so serious) candidate, even winning against the Antarctica Defence and the ISS-Gambit (the Moon Opening doesn't count anyway, because it's no "place on earth"), that is the Toilet-Variation - definitely more "a place on earth" than the moon, but I wonder if it refers to a particular toilet?

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Reply #35 - 07/08/11 at 21:59:47
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The Siesta Variation was played at the Siesta sanatorium. The Westphalia Variation was named after a ship. Calling the Scheveningen V. after a game from 1923 doesn't seem so extreme to me. Scheveningen is a place of tourism - the "Schara-Hennig Gambit" was once called Borkum Gambit (before the WSZ protested). The German island Borkum has 5.133 inhabitants.
  
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Reply #34 - 07/08/11 at 21:53:42
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MNb, I know that you have a perverse relationship with Scheveningen. Resort towns are often rather sparsely populated. Scheveningen has a population of ~23,000.

The Marienbad Defense, 1.e4 c5 2.b4 cxb4 3.a3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Bb2, 

is named after the Czech town of Marienbad. Its population is just over 14,000.

Cambridge Springs only has a population of 2363!

There are probably other resort towns that are even smaller that have an opening named after them. This was what I found after only a few moments.

The absolute winner would be one named after a space station, the Moon, or Antarctica.
  
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Reply #33 - 07/08/11 at 20:58:29
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Indeed. I remember a magazine called "64", which even lots of West-Europeans tried to decipher. As a result the Russians do have a few names of their own.

Who is responsible for naming 2...d6/5...e6 the Scheveningen? There are so many reasons against it.

1. Nobody but the Dutch and the Flemish can pronounce it.
2. Only little more can spell it correctly, as even this site proves.
3. It's not even a city, town or village of its own; it's part of the Dutch capital Den Haag.
4. The opening was played first by Paulsen, who had nothing to do with Scheveningen.
5. Euwe played it first in London and Amsterdam before it caught on in Scheveningen 1923.

So my next question is: is there a place on Earth even more remote than Scheveningen that got a chessopening named after it?
Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania has more inhabitants.
  

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Reply #32 - 07/08/11 at 19:59:56
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Markovich wrote on 07/08/11 at 18:41:33:
It'd be interesting to list all cities with openings or opening variations named after them.  A only a few would be American, but I can think of Chicago (defense to the Smith-Morra), Wilkes-Barre (Pennsylvania; another name for the Traxler) and Manhattan (variation of the Queen's Gambit).   I am fairly sure that the most represented nation would be Germany, especially if formerly German Polish cities were included.

Von der Lasa once proposed that "Spanish" should be renamed "German Game", but few Germans liked the idea. An article in Deutsches Wochenschach 1915 nailed it: openings are usually named in other countries, not in the "creative" country itself. That author listed examples, e.g. for "Berlin", which were introduced by Staunton or by Jaenisch, or in France etc. His conclusion was that Germany was by no means underrepresented, and the Ruy should remain what it was. 

Look at the "distribution" of variation names from this point of view: The Berlin Pleiades had an advantage, since v. der Lasa wrote the Handbuch and corresponded with so many: Staunton in London, Kieseritzky in Paris, Van der Linde, Jaenisch, etc. - he even exchanged letters with some Americans. Calling variations after cities, countries, players becomes kind of normal practice when you are an active writer/publisher in steady exchange with others - it is a mutual give and take. Call RL 3...Nf6 after Berlin, so what to do with 3...a6? Was played in London, so... but wait, there is so much chess in London already... OK let's say it is the Morphy Variation. 

In the USA there are at least as many active players as in Germany. But the USA is relatively isolated, and so many local novelties will not find their way over the pond. In this respect it is a bit similar to the Soviet Union/Russia. I guess there are thousands of creative players who have their own opening ideas, but they have no "organ" to make these ideas known outside the country. At least nothing of the influence and status like the Wiener Schachzeitung or the German magazines (in Berlin, Leipzig) or the impressive number of British chess periodicals. - Edit: I am speaking about the 19th century + early 20th century, of course.

P.S.: The Dubuque Chess Journal 1875, p. 265, calls 3...a6 in the Ruy Lopez "New Orleans Defence".
  
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Re: Nomenclature of Openings: Indian Jungle
Reply #31 - 07/08/11 at 19:23:50
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Markovich, I am a bit disappointed that you as an American QG expert dont mention the Cambridge Springs, in particular as I have never heard of the others Wink

For us Dutchies it is just the tonguebreaker variation of the sicilian.

Btw how many Carlsbad variations are there? I know of teh QGD, but I think there are other lines that are called that due to the exchange structure.
  

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