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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #45 - 07/25/11 at 14:27:53
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@MNb

I intend to compile some of the analysis, but not right now.

@Stefan Buecker

He didn't consider 3...a5. But after 4.0-0 Nd4 5.Nd4 ed4 6.Bc4 I would rather be White. 

@Markovich

I'd be happy to put some of the analyses in PGN files, but I can't right now.

@Jupp53 

How far do you think you will get in the next 24 hours? I don't want to double up on entering the same information from the same threads if possible.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #44 - 07/25/11 at 14:24:33
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Markovich wrote on 07/25/11 at 14:02:27:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:54:38:
MNb wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:42:19:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:29:36:
3...a5 would test the += hypothesis against a "zero-move" antithesis: is there any plus, if Black does almost nothing? Is 4.Bc4 the best reply?

Isn't the usual recipe continuing development and opening the centre? That would mean 4.0-0 followed by a quick d2-d4. But I'm sure you have looked at that too.

In the four games in the database with 4.0-0 Nd4, Black scored 62%. It is a kind of Bird's Variation, where a7-a5 is often useful.


What do you consider best against 3...a5?

There are several lines, none of them a clear refutation. Difficult to select a main line. Perhaps this one: 4.0-0 Nd4 5.Nxd4 exd4 6.c3 c6 (Bc5) 7.Bc4 (7.Be2 d5) 7...b5 8.Bd3 Bc5 9.Na3 d6 (Ne7) 10. Nc2 Qf6 (dxc3) 11.cxd4 Bxd4 12.Nxd4 Qxd4 13.Qc2 Ne7, with a choice between 14.a4 b4 15.b3 Be6 (Qxa1?!) and 14.Qc3 Qxc3 15.dxc3 Be6.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #43 - 07/25/11 at 14:09:14
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TN wrote on 07/25/11 at 10:52:36:
A grandmaster friend of mine has already done this project. I saw the more or less final project and it was a pretty good introduction for players up to 2000. 

To be honest, there is already a large amount of information on the Spanish in the threads in this section of the Forum. Just compiling the information from the threads into a series of PGN files would create an impressive Spanish repertoire file.

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #42 - 07/25/11 at 14:03:30
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Göran wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:56:41:
I have run Houdini in Aquarium/Idea this aftrernoon. She(?) proposes  4.0-0 Nd4 6.Bc4.

(5.Bc4) 5...Nxf3+ 6.Qxf3 Qf6 7.Qe3 c6, and now?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #41 - 07/25/11 at 14:02:27
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:54:38:
MNb wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:42:19:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:29:36:
3...a5 would test the += hypothesis against a "zero-move" antithesis: is there any plus, if Black does almost nothing? Is 4.Bc4 the best reply?

Isn't the usual recipe continuing development and opening the centre? That would mean 4.0-0 followed by a quick d2-d4. But I'm sure you have looked at that too.

In the four games in the database with 4.0-0 Nd4, Black scored 62%. It is a kind of Bird's Variation, where a7-a5 is often useful.


What do you consider best against 3...a5?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #40 - 07/25/11 at 13:59:56
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TN wrote on 07/25/11 at 10:52:36:
A grandmaster friend of mine has already done this project. I saw the more or less final project and it was a pretty good introduction for players up to 2000. 

To be honest, there is already a large amount of information on the Spanish in the threads in this section of the Forum. Just compiling the information from the threads into a series of PGN files would create an impressive Spanish repertoire file.


Maybe you'd care to consolidate some of those threads yourself? And do you have your GM friend's notes?

  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #39 - 07/25/11 at 13:56:41
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I have run Houdini in Aquarium/Idea this aftrernoon. She(?) proposes  4.0-0 Nd4 6.Bc4.
  
What kind of proof is that?
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #38 - 07/25/11 at 13:54:38
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MNb wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:42:19:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:29:36:
3...a5 would test the += hypothesis against a "zero-move" antithesis: is there any plus, if Black does almost nothing? Is 4.Bc4 the best reply?

Isn't the usual recipe continuing development and opening the centre? That would mean 4.0-0 followed by a quick d2-d4. But I'm sure you have looked at that too.

In the four games in the database with 4.0-0 Nd4, Black scored 62%. It is a kind of Bird's Variation, where a7-a5 is often useful.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #37 - 07/25/11 at 13:42:19
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/25/11 at 13:29:36:
3...a5 would test the += hypothesis against a "zero-move" antithesis: is there any plus, if Black does almost nothing? Is 4.Bc4 the best reply?

Isn't the usual recipe continuing development and opening the centre? That would mean 4.0-0 followed by a quick d2-d4. But I'm sure you have looked at that too.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #36 - 07/25/11 at 13:38:06
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Well, I already adressed 5.Bc4 c6 (6.Bxg8 and/or 6.0-0).
I also think shutting in Bf8 is a serious concession.
In line 2) a booklet by Jimmy Adams refers to a game Keres-Kimmelfeldt, URS 1957. The great Estonian played 8.exf5 (iso 8.Bg5) c6 9.g4 d5 10.Bb3 and I find it, compared to the King's Gambit, hard to believe that Black has sufficient compensation.  After 8.Bg5 c6 again 9.exf5 looks like an improvement.
But I won't have a problem if the choice falls on 5.exf5.

Thanks for the reply.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #35 - 07/25/11 at 13:29:36
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3...a5 would test the += hypothesis against a "zero-move" antithesis: is there any plus, if Black does almost nothing? Is 4.Bc4 the best reply?

TN wrote on 07/25/11 at 10:52:36:
A grandmaster friend of mine has already done this project.

Do you remember his analysis against 3...a5?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #34 - 07/25/11 at 13:23:10
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As I understand it the process of reaching the goal (activate the section) is as important as the goal itself. 

Concerning Sokolov and 5.Bc4
The move order 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.Nc3 Nd4 is not accurate for Black. Now 5.Bc4 is not that dangerous for Black (5.exf5 better). He should be fine after precise play e.g. 5 Bc4 d6 (or 5...c6!?) 

1) 6.exf5 Bxf5 7.Nxd4 exd4 8.Qf3 Ne7 9.Nb5 d5 10.Be2 Qd7 11.Nxd4 0-0-0 and Black has play for the pawn.
2) 6.d3 Nxf3+ 7.Qf3 Nf6 8.Bg5 c6 9.0-0-0 where 9...h6  leads to an unclear game and 9...f4! is better for Black after 10.g3 h6 11.Bxf6 Qxf4+ 13.Qxf4 exf4 14.h4 Bg4 15.Rdg1 h5 16.d4 Be7.

Hope it's what fling refered to.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #33 - 07/25/11 at 13:21:59
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Go ahead! Save us work. Note that I already mentioned a line against the Jänisch with ...d5 and ...Qg5. I learned about this on this forum from Markovich.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #32 - 07/25/11 at 10:52:36
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A grandmaster friend of mine has already done this project. I saw the more or less final project and it was a pretty good introduction for players up to 2000. 

To be honest, there is already a large amount of information on the Spanish in the threads in this section of the Forum. Just compiling the information from the threads into a series of PGN files would create an impressive Spanish repertoire file.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #31 - 07/25/11 at 10:31:50
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8.d4 is illegal. So is 9.d4 after 8...Nf6 (iso 8...dxc3). So could you check too what Sokolov has to say about 8...Nf6 ?
  
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