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Re: Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
Reply #9 - 08/08/11 at 22:46:55
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/08/11 at 21:59:29:
I'm guessing that Fromper is playing the Smith-Morra in correspondence games against players who are tactically close to 2800 strength but positionally much weaker. 

In my correspondence experience on the black side, I usually get a draw around move 30-40. In that sense, I'm not impressed with it. Having said that, Black must play very accurately, and not rely on silicon variations.


Umm... no. My opponents aren't that high rated, and I rarely play correspondence. My point was just that I know guys rated 1800-2000 who insist the gambit is completely unsound, and I shouldn't play it, but they can't seem to prove why. And despite checking some of the literature on the subject and looking around a little on the internet, I have yet to see any sort of definite refutation, either. 

In fact, a couple of years ago, I saw an IM using the gambit successfully in a tournament where he was shooting for a GM norm (and came very close to getting it). I figure if it's good enough for him, then it's good enough for me to play in the U1800 or U2000 section. Wink

  
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Re: Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
Reply #8 - 08/08/11 at 22:00:22
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kylemeister wrote on 08/08/11 at 20:27:39:
I guess the Sicilian is a forced loss; at Chesscafe I see seven products in the last ten days on beating/crushing it.

Cool

On the other hand, if it was a forced loss, wouldn't one product be enough?
  
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Re: Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
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I'm guessing that Fromper is playing the Smith-Morra in correspondence games against players who are tactically close to 2800 strength but positionally much weaker. 

In my correspondence experience on the black side, I usually get a draw around move 30-40. In that sense, I'm not impressed with it. Having said that, Black must play very accurately, and not rely on silicon variations.
  
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Reply #6 - 08/08/11 at 21:01:14
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kylemeister wrote on 08/08/11 at 20:27:39:
I guess the Sicilian is a forced loss; at Chesscafe I see seven products in the last ten days on beating/crushing it.


Don't panic! My new book, 'Play the Suttles Sniper', will be published in the next week, and refutes 1.e4, based on analysis by a team of Duncan Suttles, Charlie Storey and Roman Dzindzichashvili.
  
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I guess the Sicilian is a forced loss; at Chesscafe I see seven products in the last ten days on beating/crushing it.
  
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Re: Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
Reply #3 - 08/08/11 at 19:58:11
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Fromper wrote on 08/08/11 at 19:04:04:
I know a lot of people sneer at me for playing the Smith-Morra Gambit and say it's unsound, to which my usual reply is "So why do I keep winning with it?"


I am guessing - because you are playing opponents that are relatively low-rated? Most openings are ok when the opponent is not prepared. I even saw a clip at youtube by kingscrusher playing bullet chess. In the clip he says he's addicted to the elephant gambit. Well, would state that he wins despite of his opening. Maybe that goes for you to?
  
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Re: Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
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I know a lot of people sneer at me for playing the Smith-Morra Gambit and say it's unsound, to which my usual reply is "So why do I keep winning with it?"
  
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Re: Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
Reply #1 - 08/04/11 at 21:58:53
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kevinfat wrote on 08/04/11 at 08:00:01:
Do you guys have a list of openings that you suspect/guess are forced losses?


You could "suspect/guess" any opening is a forced win or forced loss. For example 1. e4 .... everything that you put +/= to or +/-, can be considered a forced win that requires unreasonable amounts of analysis. 

kevinfat wrote on 08/04/11 at 08:00:01:
But that proving so would take HUGE HUGE unreasonable amount of analysis.


The same as the above. You can "suspect" anything is a forced loss. What you have is a spectrum of openings, from what you consider sound to what you consider unsound.   

kevinfat wrote on 08/04/11 at 08:00:01:
Please list those candidate opening you believe/estimate are losses  (Traxler(black loss), Lolli attack(black loss) etc.).


The Traxler is looking like a draw by the latest analysis, White does not seem to be winning. 
  
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Openings that you suspect are a forced loss?
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Do you guys have a list of openings that you suspect/guess are forced losses? But that proving so would take HUGE HUGE unreasonable amount of analysis. Please list those candidate opening you believe/estimate are losses  (Traxler(black loss), Lolli attack(black loss) etc.).
  
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