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According to Kramnik 1.Nf3    
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« Created by: rossia on: 08/04/11 at 16:23:48 »
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #11 - 01/21/16 at 19:48:56
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The books are ten years old. There have appeared significant novelties every year since the books were published. To identify them would be tantamount to doing a second edition.

I use parts of the OFWAK Series 1 for resources in transpositional tricks of my own (like 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 or transposition into the Maroczy Bind instead of the Benoni), for its comprehensiveness in sidelines, and as a reference in combination with other sources. I think they're excellent, but you'd be crazy to try to memorize their main line coverage.
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Reply #10 - 01/20/16 at 23:10:59
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No idea, not owning those books Smiley I have the odd one from his Anand series, so know that they'll be very serious.

There'll no doubt be a bunch of refinements in the main lines since then. In many ways I always felt these things were best as a reference for how to squash sidelines, because that does tend to last fairly well. 

The fashionable ways to get advantages in pure main lines don't.
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #9 - 01/20/16 at 19:59:13
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MartinC wrote on 01/20/16 at 19:52:30:
Yes, fairly trivially so Smiley Details and fashions do change but main lines (especially white ones!) only go missing very, very rarely.


Are there important lines he did not cover (modern lines)?
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
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Yes, fairly trivially so Smiley Details and fashions do change but main lines (especially white ones!) only go missing very, very rarely.
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #7 - 01/20/16 at 17:29:56
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Is the original OFWAK-repertoire still playable?
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #6 - 08/04/11 at 22:53:50
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Wow, to compare these two is perhaps beside the point. 

Yes, they are both repertoires recommended by world-class analysts. But that's about the end of it. The repertoires seem to be aimed at two distinct audiences. I believe Khalifman's audience is correspondence players and strong professional players (+2200 strength at least). Avrukh's audience seems to be more in the +1800 range, with both authors aspiring to help the very best players in the world as well.

Avrukh's work is far more glossy and attractive in appearance. But I prefer Khalifman's for two basic reasons:
  • Khalifman's repertoire, while perhaps more high-maintenance, seems more likely to produce decisive results as white.
  • Khalifman's repertoire is more fully grounded in the common practice of top-flight GMs than Avrukh's. This is a very marginal difference, but there are many places where Avrukh left the main thoroughfares of theory in search of new territory. This is a laudable effect, but in five years, I suspect Khalifman's works will be considered the more solid.


Just to be clear, I own both OFWAK (1st editions) and 1.d4 vols' 1&2. I use both in correspondence games, and I trust both. I voted for 1.d4 vol. 2 as the book of the year in 2011. They are both excellent works!
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #5 - 08/04/11 at 20:21:24
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rossia wrote on 08/04/11 at 20:11:05:
So Khalifman has finished the series or we do expect some new titles to fully circle the repertoire?


He's finished it once before, and he's currently doing a 2nd edition. There's a few more volumes before the 2nd edition is completed, so it's not a complete repertoire.

That said, it's completely irrelevant. You can complete the repertoire yourself, it's not that hard.
  

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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
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So Khalifman has finished the series or we do expect some new titles to fully circle the repertoire?
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #3 - 08/04/11 at 18:58:39
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I have experience with the first edition and all of the second edition works printed so far.

A) Grunfeld and KID Bayonet lines are outdated. Good news is there's viable fixes if you know what lines to choose. 9. b4 Nh5 10.c5 Nf4 11. a4 in the Bayonet is substantially underrated (don't let the statistics fool you) if you wish to continue to stick with the Bayonet. Otherwise I'd recommend the Gligoric, or some 9. Ne1 variation (I have a preference, but I don't want it getting popular so I'm not going to say exactly which variation it is, this also applies to the white side of the Anglo-Grunfeld).

B) Hedgehog recommendation is substantially outdated, white is better advised to look into the d4+Qxd4 lines against black's most usual move order in the Hedgehog (he can use 7. Re1 against the early a6/d6 move orders still, but the standard Be7 requires separate treatment). My suggestion to prospective white players is to find something that makes you comfortable - don't expect too much in the way of an advantage.

C) Theory hasn't been given a chance to move on from volume 3 yet as far as I can tell.

As to your questions:

#1) Khalifman tries to be more main line and critical in everything, so theory tends to quickly move on from the time his books are printed. The good news is he covers almost all of black's minor sidelines, which means it retains significant relevance in all but a few key lines.

#2) The 2nd edition does not yet. However, anyone with a functioning brain can develop the rest of the repertoire to their liking.

#3) If you understand the majority of the positions and know what you're aiming for you'll do quite well. Of course, this can be said for any serious opening repertoire.

#4) Avrukh's series is good as well, about on par.

I personally prefer the Khalifman of approach of trying to cover every base and trying to be critical at all times, but Avrukh's repertoire actually blends in quite well as it concerns the 1. d4 d5 opening transpositions. My advice: combine the two, or use them both. There's no reason to restrict yourself to one or the other.
  

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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #2 - 08/04/11 at 18:39:51
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Well, they're very different repertoires. The only overlap is the catalan, which Khalifman hasn't even gotten to yet.

As to the format? I think I prefer Khalifman as it is more comprehensive. I'd say the level of analysis is about par.
  
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Re: Khalifman on Kramnik
Reply #1 - 08/04/11 at 16:23:48
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Khalifman on Kramnik
08/04/11 at 16:20:28
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Hello friends,

Do you have any experience with Khalifman's books:

a) Opening for White according to Kramnik 1A

- Old Indian, King's Indian and Anti-Grünfeld openings
- Chess Stars, 2006

b) Opening for White according to Kramnik 1B

- King's Indian Main Lines
- Chess Stars, 2006

c) Opening for White according to Kramnik 2

April 2008: Completely Revised, Expanded Edition

d) Opening for White According to Kramnik 1.Nf3 Vol. 3 New Edition

- Chess Stars, 2011

Can you please answer on the following:

1) are the mentioned books complete series, i.e. this is "state of the art" regarding the book series

2) do they build a complete repertoire

3) how this looks in practice

4) how do they compare with Avrukh's repertoire books on 1d4
  
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