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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #25 - 08/06/11 at 18:32:28
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As white: I would not play any other opening move than 1 e4 or 1 d4.
* Theoricilal unsound gambits
* c3 sicilian (In my experence with the black pieces the position becomes boring)
* Bb5+ sicilian (In my experence with both sides the positon becomes boring. However Nc6 Bb5 is an other matter)
* BGD gambit
* Caro-Kann fantasy varition

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* e5 (to much work) 
* Irregual opening like 1 e4 b6 or d4 b5
* KID (rather play white in Bayonet attack)
* Budapest gambit
* Albin counter gambit
* Alekhine defence
* Pin varition of Sicilian defence
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #24 - 08/06/11 at 16:32:25
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MNb wrote on 08/06/11 at 14:56:03:
OK then, let me mention something serious - very serious. There have been trivial answers enough in this thread (including mine).
An opening I have never played and highly probably never will play is the Najdorf as Black (and the Scheveningen too). That stuff is simply too difficult for me.


you know. I said this for years and years and years too (not because its too difficult but because of no interest in the Sicilian whatsoever). But i've tried it in a few Corr games. So careful with the word never.
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #23 - 08/06/11 at 15:10:52
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But MNb, you just need to watch a video on it and then play it in some internet blitz games.  Get with the programme (c. 2011 edition).
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #22 - 08/06/11 at 14:56:03
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OK then, let me mention something serious - very serious. There have been trivial answers enough in this thread (including mine).
An opening I have never played and highly probably never will play is the Najdorf as Black (and the Scheveningen too). That stuff is simply too difficult for me.
  

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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #21 - 08/06/11 at 12:26:40
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Anything that sucks.
  

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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #20 - 08/06/11 at 10:04:04
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Albin counter-gambit (just throwing it out there since nobody mentioned it I think)
Baltic defence
Marshall defence (to the Queen's Gambit)
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #19 - 08/06/11 at 09:39:25
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as Black:
  • Alekhine Defence (even though I played it in the distant past)
  • Scandinavian w/ 2..Nf6
  • Sicilians other than Paulsen (Kan/Taimanov) and O'Kelly
  • Gruenfeld Defence
  • Benkő Gambit 
  • Blumenfeld Gambit

as White (when I usually play 1.d4):
  • King's Gambit
  • Alapin Sicilian
  • Closed Sicilian (even though I played it in the past)
  • 1.g3
  • 1.b4, 1.g4, etc
  

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*W 1d4) Torre/Barry/Pirc/Philidor/ early _d5:early c4(QGD/Slav/QGD/etc)
*B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6| 1Nf3:c5
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #18 - 08/05/11 at 23:14:49
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Oddly enough, both times Smyslov_Fan uses the term "QGD" in that post it was a minor mistake. The first time I assume he means "non-QG systems" and the second time he seems to be using it as an example of some unusual, irregular type of d4 opening. I guess it doesn't get much more wild and outrageous than the QGD. Tongue
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #17 - 08/05/11 at 23:13:20
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True, trw. I was responding to the comment about those openings being less than "reasonable".
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #16 - 08/05/11 at 22:14:31
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/05/11 at 21:54:11:
Uhohspaghettio wrote on 08/05/11 at 21:07:38:
* Anything where you are relying on your opponent not to play accurately, eg. Elephant Gambit, S&M sorry S-M. 
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I asked someone in live chess why he used the Colle and he said something like that it's steady and reasonable, like himself and it suited him that way. I thought that if he wants to play like that, he should just play the Queen's Gambit, as it is generally-speaking a highly positional and steady opening, and so are many kp openings. I don't see any advantage at all to playing these two openings.     
   

Was that somebody named Vlastimil Hort? Or maybe Zoltan Ribli? Or perhaps Artur Yusupov, Jan Timman, Ulf Andersson,  Gata Kamsky, Anatoly Karpov.... 

All of these and more have played non-QGD systems such as the London, Veresov, Colle, and others in serious events.

One trait many of these players  have in common is a reputation for fine positional judgement! Oh, and of course players such as Anthony Miles played all sorts of different openings, including the QGD and London systems.



the thread is titled openings "you" would never play not that "have never been played or should never be played by anyone"
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #15 - 08/05/11 at 21:54:11
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 08/05/11 at 21:07:38:
* Anything where you are relying on your opponent not to play accurately, eg. Elephant Gambit, S&M sorry S-M. 
...  

I asked someone in live chess why he used the Colle and he said something like that it's steady and reasonable, like himself and it suited him that way. I thought that if he wants to play like that, he should just play the Queen's Gambit, as it is generally-speaking a highly positional and steady opening, and so are many kp openings. I don't see any advantage at all to playing these two openings.     
   

Was that somebody named Vlastimil Hort? Or maybe Zoltan Ribli? Or perhaps Artur Yusupov, Jan Timman, Ulf Andersson,  Gata Kamsky, Anatoly Karpov.... 

All of these and more have played non-QGD systems such as the London, Veresov, Colle, and others in serious events.

One trait many of these players  have in common is a reputation for fine positional judgement! Oh, and of course players such as Anthony Miles played all sorts of different openings, including the QGD and London systems.
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #14 - 08/05/11 at 21:07:38
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* Anything where you are relying on your opponent not to play accurately, eg. Elephant Gambit, S&M sorry S-M. 

* Any very sharp flank opening where you are hoping your opponent doesn't know it as well as you do.  

* Anything where you do something that your opponent can easily avoid, for example Owen's Defence, Anderson's Opening.   

* London System, Colle. 

I have no idea why anyone would play these last two systems, unless they want to bore their opponent into defeat (which is a real possibility). Avoiding opening theory, ok, but in non-sharp openings it is less important to know it exactly. I think there is some advantage to the Trompowsky or Veresov openings though.  

I asked someone in live chess why he used the Colle and he said something like that it's steady and reasonable, like himself and it suited him that way. I thought that if he wants to play like that, he should just play the Queen's Gambit, as it is generally-speaking a highly positional and steady opening, and so are many kp openings. I don't see any advantage at all to playing these two openings.     
   
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #13 - 08/05/11 at 19:07:36
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I wouldn't play (excluding unrated thematics)
Halloween Gambit(white), Latvian Gambit(black), King's Gambit(white), Benoni(black), Grob(white), Dutch(black), Larsen(white), Chigorin(black), Nimzowitsch(black), CaroKann (black), French (black), Polish (white), Colle (white), London System (white), Richter Veresov (white), Bishop's Opening (white), Trompowsky (white), Torre Attack (white), Barry Attack (white), Vienna Game (white), Center game (white), Goring Gambit (white)

I played in a simul with GM Hikaru Nakamura where he went down the board playing every single legal move. He started Board1: Nh3 Board2: Nf3 Board3: h3 Board4: h4 Board5: g3 Board6: g4 Board7: f3 he ended up at my board with... Board8: f4 board9: e3 board10: e4 board11: d3 board12: d4 board 13: c3 board 14: c4 board15: b3 board16: b4 board 17: a3 board18: a4 board19: Nc3 board20: Na3 and then he was black on board 21.
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #12 - 08/05/11 at 18:06:38
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Here are some off of the top of my head:

As white:
-Grob
-Orangutang
-1.b3
-Annoying 1.d4 systems such as the london, colle, trompowsky, blackmar-diemar, veresov and others where white does not move the c-pawn.
-king's gambit
-caro-kann fantasy variation
-french exchange
-danish gambit, scotch gambit, max lange attack or any of those gambit lines where black is at least equal
-any anti-sicilian apart from maybe the Bb5 sicilians
-exchange slav
-vienna opening
-french advance

As black:
-QGD orthodox
-englund gambit
-petroff
-latvian gambit
-elephant gambit
-scandinavian
-1...b5
-1...b6
-philidor defence
-sicilian four knights
-sicilian pin variation
-mainline french with 3...dxe4
-Lowenthal sicilian
-Czech benoni
-Gurgenidze system of the Caro-Kann

There are probably more that I would not play, but I cannot think of them right now.
  
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Re: Openings that you would never play
Reply #11 - 08/05/11 at 16:45:24
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Zwischenzugzwang wrote on 08/05/11 at 16:10:10:
Maybe 1.d3, 2.Qd2, 3.Kd1 and 4.Qe1 is more solid, as the king is not so exposed after move 2 !?


Chess is all about finding the best move orders.  Grin
  
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