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Re: Chess etiquette
Reply #33 - 11/05/11 at 11:58:53
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Markovich wrote on 11/05/11 at 05:16:32:
Well I would consider it quite rude of you to eat a slice of pizza during a game of chess with me. You should consider that not everyone who is offended complains, or even affects to be offended.

I've always tried to ignore opponents who eat at the board, I've often wanted to ask them whether they thought they were in a a restaurant, but never did. I guess that anyone who is ignorant enough to behave like this would be too dense to understand anyway.
  
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Reply #32 - 11/05/11 at 11:37:38
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I never encountered anything really rude.
I also dont see any problem with people drinking beer during a game. It cerrtainly makes less noise than tea with sugar and a cookie.
  

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Re: Chess etiquette
Reply #31 - 11/05/11 at 10:51:33
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In most cases food at the table is not a problem, almost everyone drinks coffee, tea or water at the table for instance (in Danish tournaments beer is not unusual either, btw). 

Anyway, even if it were a problem it's hard to do anything about it except to make sure to beat them if possible - any extra motivation is good motivation. 

During the decades I've played only a few annoying food incidents come to mind: as a junior I once played an old guy who reeked of smelly cheese (don't remember if he ate it at the board or not, but that hardly matters - the stench was incredible); another local player had literally the eating style of the Cookie Monster; and one guy kept stirring his tea with clinking sounds during most of the game, taking a refill now and then as an excuse to keep on clinking...

Still, in comparison to other "chess experiences", like playing vs a guy who reeked so much that some of his opponents actually stuffed their noses with paper before their game with him; or playing against an old guy who literally smoked every second at the table during the entire game (another junior memory) - the food issues tend to fade away.

Not to mention all these guys who keep running off to smoke and comes back breathing nicotine exhaust fumes at you every time...

So I would certainly not mind an opponent who is merely reading quietly during the game...
  
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Re: Chess etiquette
Reply #30 - 11/05/11 at 09:08:06
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Some years ago I used to play in a chess club where one of the members used to read during (club internal) games. Of course, his reading matters weren't anything chess related, and I'm also sure that he hadn't prepared the pages with a special ink only he was able to read through his glasses, but still I found this behaviour somehow annoying as I felt disrespected. (It wasn't meant like that, I'm also sure, as he did this behaviour even when playing the stronger members.)

What is your opinion about that, legal matters aside - was I too touchy?

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Re: Chess etiquette
Reply #29 - 11/05/11 at 05:16:32
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Well I would consider it quite rude of you to eat a slice of pizza during a game of chess with me. You should consider that not everyone who is offended complains, or even affects to be offended. 

I doubt that I would play much at a club where this were allowed. What is with this world, or with these times, that people think they have the right to do this?
  

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Re: Chess ettiquette
Reply #28 - 11/05/11 at 03:11:41
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/05/11 at 00:13:23:
Eating at the board is unthinkable. I don't think it's a question of different customs in different countries, really - in every country in my experience you meet players with good manners, and the other kind.

I find it completely normal to eat a snickers, a banana, yoghurt or sandwiches at the board. I can't even remember a single complaint by a player about this, let alone any mention of it by the referee. Always under the assumption that the food doesn't smell and nobody gets disturbed.
During our team events (8 players per team , 1 referee) I estimate at least 12 of the 16 players eat something and everybody drinks coffee, water or coke. The referee does both. It's normal.

Things loosen up even more in an informal environment. I could see myself bringing a pizza to my Friday evening game at the club if I didn't have time to eat before. In that case I would offer my opponent to start a couple of minutes later though.
  
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Reply #27 - 11/05/11 at 02:57:41
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I think it was at the traditional Travemünder Open, and at least 7 years ago. There were literally waitresses bringing beer (but also soft drinks) to the table. Maybe I'm being unfair here and extrapolating from an isolated case which happened to be in Germany. Anyway I found that surprising, but not really anything to complain about; it can only be to my advantage if my opponent plays under the influence!

Nowadays alcohol is strictly prohibited in all youth tournaments, even for visitors, most leagues (at least on state level and above) and most other tournaments which want to position themselves as a serious sports event.

On the other hand there are still clubs who are playing in a pub. In that case the innkeeper has to earn his money somehow, either through drinks & food served to the board or a table nearby, or by asking for a fee for the room.
Furthermore there are still parts of the country in which sports and beer are deeply connected. In the Rhine-Ruhr area it's normal that even many athletes (can we call a chessplayer an athlete Wink ) drink a beer after the game.
  
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Re: Chess ettiquette
Reply #26 - 11/05/11 at 00:13:23
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Eating at the board is unthinkable. I don't think it's a question of different customs in different countries, really - in every country in my experience you meet players with good manners, and the other kind.

In reply to the OP; it's surely not a new phenomenon nor one confined to chess that many people have no idea of how to behave decently. I don't see any solution to this problem appearing any time soon.
  
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Reply #25 - 11/04/11 at 20:55:00
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Fllg wrote on 11/04/11 at 15:07:53:
Stigma wrote on 11/04/11 at 04:13:11:

Another special feature of (some) German tournaments is beer served at the board, which I associate more with pubs and "coffeehouse" chess than with serious tournament play.


In serious tournaments in Germany drinking alcohol at the board is strictly prohibited.

I wonder when and where you have made this experience?!


I think it was at the traditional Travemünder Open, and at least 7 years ago. There were literally waitresses bringing beer (but also soft drinks) to the table. Maybe I'm being unfair here and extrapolating from an isolated case which happened to be in Germany. Anyway I found that surprising, but not really anything to complain about; it can only be to my advantage if my opponent plays under the influence!
  

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Reply #24 - 11/04/11 at 17:16:27
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For instance, during a long game I will sometimes eat a banana - since bananas are quite smelly, I take care to eat them well away from the board.


I've never noticed that bananas are smelly - are you perchance a bloodhound? Shocked

Around here they are relatively often consumed during play - especially in team events I've seen some team captains handing out a banana & snickers bar to each member of his team after 3-4 hours play, and don't recall ever hearing any protests about it.
  
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Reply #23 - 11/04/11 at 16:18:40
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In my experience, unpleasantness at the board is quite rare, and in general I find that the stronger the players, the less trouble there is.

As already pointed out, this is the main reference point:

FIDE LAW 12.6 "It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area."

Drinking non-alcoholic drinks at the board is reasonable, as is eating snacks such as biscuits or chocolate. Eating anything noisy, smelly or visually repulsive is out of order.

For instance, during a long game I will sometimes eat a banana - since bananas are quite smelly, I take care to eat them well away from the board.

If there is an arbiter present, any complaint should be made via the arbiter. For an example of how not to do it, see

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/davies62.pdf

In a team match, in the absence of an independent arbiter, it is the duty of the team captains to try to ensure that the Laws of Chess are upheld. My local league has this rule:

"Team captains are joint arbiters and have all the duties and responsibilities of arbiters under the Laws, unless those duties and responsibilities clash with their role as team captain."
  
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Re: Chess ettiquette
Reply #22 - 11/04/11 at 15:07:53
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Stigma wrote on 11/04/11 at 04:13:11:

Another special feature of (some) German tournaments is beer served at the board, which I associate more with pubs and "coffeehouse" chess than with serious tournament play.


In serious tournaments in Germany drinking alcohol at the board is strictly prohibited.

I wonder when and where you have made this experience?!
  
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Reply #21 - 11/04/11 at 12:10:01
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TalJechin wrote on 11/04/11 at 09:00:21:
Markovich wrote on 11/04/11 at 06:04:39:
Gorath wrote on 11/03/11 at 21:21:15:
Why? Games can take 7 hours, and on club level there are often no other rooms (within the arbiter's reach) in which the player can eat.

I find it absolutely normal that a player takes out his sandwiches or an apple during the game. I expect him to do it silently and on his own time though.


Stuff your face away from the board, not in front of me, please. That's my point of view. If you allow any sort of  eating you must allow the eating of sardines in mustard sauce and the like, which I do not find particularly repulsive normally, but utterly repulsive when I have to see them eaten while searching for a good chess move.

So disallow eating or I'll swallow live millipedes, or perhaps scoop thr brains out of a living monkey that has had the top of its skull removed. It may not be to your taste, but it's considered delightful in some parts of this world.

P.S. Like raw oysters? I love 'em!  Runny eggs? Yum!!  Truly I do, no joke. Sheep's eyeballs? I draw the line there, but somebody else might not.


With that logic nothing would be allowed - think you have the right to sit on a chair during the game? - Oh no, not if it's made of live puppies screaming or if the opponent prefers to sit on an elephant, which is quite likely to happen sooner or later if sitting is tolerated. No sitting!!


Well players who sit in bughouse ARE rather annoying... Tongue

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Reply #20 - 11/04/11 at 09:00:21
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Markovich wrote on 11/04/11 at 06:04:39:
Gorath wrote on 11/03/11 at 21:21:15:
Why? Games can take 7 hours, and on club level there are often no other rooms (within the arbiter's reach) in which the player can eat.

I find it absolutely normal that a player takes out his sandwiches or an apple during the game. I expect him to do it silently and on his own time though.


Stuff your face away from the board, not in front of me, please. That's my point of view. If you allow any sort of  eating you must allow the eating of sardines in mustard sauce and the like, which I do not find particularly repulsive normally, but utterly repulsive when I have to see them eaten while searching for a good chess move.

So disallow eating or I'll swallow live millipedes, or perhaps scoop thr brains out of a living monkey that has had the top of its skull removed. It may not be to your taste, but it's considered delightful in some parts of this world.

P.S. Like raw oysters? I love 'em!  Runny eggs? Yum!!  Truly I do, no joke. Sheep's eyeballs? I draw the line there, but somebody else might not.


With that logic nothing would be allowed - think you have the right to sit on a chair during the game? - Oh no, not if it's made of live puppies screaming or if the opponent prefers to sit on an elephant, which is quite likely to happen sooner or later if sitting is tolerated. No sitting!!
  
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Reply #19 - 11/04/11 at 08:28:48
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Markovich wrote on 11/04/11 at 06:04:39:
Gorath wrote on 11/03/11 at 21:21:15:
Why? Games can take 7 hours, and on club level there are often no other rooms (within the arbiter's reach) in which the player can eat.

I find it absolutely normal that a player takes out his sandwiches or an apple during the game. I expect him to do it silently and on his own time though.


Stuff your face away from the board, not in front of me, please. That's my point of view. If you allow any sort of  eating you must allow the eating of sardines in mustard sauce and the like, which I do not find particularly repulsive normally, but utterly repulsive when I have to see them eaten while searching for a good chess move.

So disallow eating or I'll swallow live millipedes, or perhaps scoop thr brains out of a living monkey that has had the top of its skull removed. It may not be to your taste, but it's considered delightful in some parts of this world.

P.S. Like raw oysters? I love 'em!  Runny eggs? Yum!!  Truly I do, no joke. Sheep's eyeballs? I draw the line there, but somebody else might not.


I used to always eat at the board, but I have always eaten away from the board for some time now, in order to not distract the opponent. Hence I find it very annoying when my opponent eats at the board, especially on my move. 

Drinking at the board should definitely be fine, unless the person is doing something ridiculous like slurping tea from a saucer.
  

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