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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #51 - 02/01/12 at 03:52:05
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 02/01/12 at 03:16:45:
Does anyone really care what that twit says anymore?

Sure.
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #50 - 02/01/12 at 03:16:45
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Does anyone really care what that twit says anymore? Not really.
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #49 - 01/30/12 at 12:28:13
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Naka seems to have apologised in his own sort of way about his comments on Kasparov in the latest Full English Breakfast Show: http://www.thefeb.com/, Naka's interview starts at about 25mins, apparently he's spoken to Kasparov on skype since then and they're back on speaking terms. Takes some courage to admit when you're wrong, bravo Hikaru.
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #48 - 01/09/12 at 17:47:44
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Keano wrote on 01/09/12 at 16:45:20:
still a fantastic player though, just needs to gem up a bit on his PR


Having met him, it's not just his PR; he needs to gem up on his humanity.
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #47 - 01/09/12 at 16:45:20
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still a fantastic player though, just needs to gem up a bit on his PR
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #46 - 01/08/12 at 00:07:17
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And Nakamura got beat in the middle game by a young dutchy and then in the endgame by Chucky.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #45 - 12/21/11 at 09:45:23
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Well, this thread is somehow pushing me to recall my memories from the old days..
I started playing chess in 1978. Me and my local chess friends grew with the positional understanding of Nimzovich's "My System" and alike.  Cool And in the 80's we were witnesses to Karpov-Kasparov era which brought the uncompromising style of Fisher's playing to some new heights. We used to read the Soviet "Chess Bulletin" magazines and went through thousands of games played in the USSR championships as well as those played in the rest of the world. What amazed us was that we observed an overall change in the style of playing chess. The Capablanka's/Botvinnik's/Smyslov's/Petrosyan's positional approach was out of fashion.  Huh Of course, we knew Tal's trying to unbalance the games he played, we knew Fisher's uncompromising style, but we perceived something more was happening. A new approach - a continious try to unbalance every game..  Shocked First, we saw this in the games of some then Soviet players like Malanyuk, Azmaiparashvili and alike. We used to call them "Russian Axes" amongst our local chess community. This style of playing wasn't refined at that time.. They used to win some crazy games, but they used to lose some too.. The player that made the real change was no other than Garry Kasparov. I think he just took the positional approach of Botvinnik, combined it with the uncompromising style of Fisher and developped the new "Russian Axes" playing style to the extreme.. What endgames with this kind of playing?!   Roll Eyes
I quitted playing chess around 1994 when my younger fellows Topalov, Delchev, Chatalbashev...started to climb up the chess ladder. I quitted completely. Just followed the news who was the new world champion - that kind of thing.. And imagine my amazement when returning to chess in 2010 I saw that at the highest level almost every player was trying to unbalance the game in order to win!  Cheesy
And I think it's all because of Kasparov! Naka.., Naka..what do you know?
(..And I'm not a fan of Kasparov at all!)
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #44 - 12/21/11 at 08:56:42
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Tricklev wrote on 12/17/11 at 22:29:54:

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Nakamura - No, like I said, his strength was in openings. You look at middlegames or endgames and I’m quite convinced there are other players who are better than he was, but he was able to get advantages out of the openings so that was his main strength, and when he wasn’t able to do that, that’s why he lost his title to Kramnik.
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imo some of his remarks look quite venomous, esp. "I'm quite convinced" in the passage above and also in "Nakamura – There's something to be gained. Mainly it’s the opening preparation he did with his team over the past 20-25 years of his chess career" and in the way he makes Kasparov look vs. Kramnik. At first I thought that maybe this was not necessarily a deliberate attack, but looking now at Kasparov's reply (clever, but also politically correct), one can tell that they have problems with each other.

On the other hand, going back to the passage I quote again above, we should be reminded that these players (Nakamura, Carlsen etc.) are super-GMs and do not need just another trainer that excels in some aspects of the game (of course they may indeed have a not-that-strong-as-a-player trainer helping them with their core training schedule). 

So I suppose they hire Kasparov because they are looking for the absolute best in some areas of the game or some fresh ideas, - this little extra that will help them score points vs. contemporary super-GMs.

Having said that, if I was Nakamura (could use some extra ELO points  Wink), I would have not expected Kasparov to show me a new approach to the game (if he knew one he would have used it in his WCh matches and not keep it secret for so many years!). I would have hired Kasparov, well ..for opening ideas!
  

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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #43 - 12/20/11 at 23:49:24
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I don't mind flogging this dead horse at all. 

Kasparov's renown comes from his domination in the opening and his revolutionary approach to the middlegame. He was the greatest player ever, and as such his endgames are also special. His endgames look weaker only in light of his amazing contributions in the earlier phases of the game.

If you have any doubt, take a look at Korchnoi-Kasparov, 1989. Kasparov was faced with an opening novelty as Black and managed to reach a double-rook endgame. The final position was a single rook endgame with equal material, and Korchnoi resigned. From about 1972-1992, I'm betting Korchnoi lost to no more than a handful of players in pure rook endgames such as this. Kasparov was fully capable of playing great endgames.
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #42 - 12/20/11 at 21:57:40
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 12/20/11 at 20:35:01:
Yeah, I think Kasparov has become very skilled in language, this is in his second language. It's not just formal or "correct" English, but at getting the exact tone and meaning across in a concise way, something extremely rare for someone's continual second language. I think we can say that Kasparov speaks English better than most native English speakers and not only that, but speaks common man's English better than most common men.  Cheesy

Hmm I'm pretty sure there are far more people, who are better at English than the average native speaker. Plus for Kasparov, he is an expert on the English.
  

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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #41 - 12/20/11 at 21:23:56
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 12/20/11 at 20:35:01:

Yeah, I think Kasparov has become very skilled in language, this is in his second language. It's not just formal or "correct" English, but at getting the exact tone and meaning across in a concise way, something extremely rare for someone's continual second language.


You don't think it was Mig then?  Kasparov's words are not given as a direct quote.  Equally,

Kasparov: Everyone is worried about the successor of Kim Jong-Il, but what about a successor to the strong moral leadership of Vaclav Havel?

Is not necessarily a word for word report of what Gazza actually said.



As for Kasparov being 'renowned' for being a endgame player, I just don't think that's true at all.  Maybe he *should* be, that's a completely different story, but I just don't think there's a huge literature out there eulogising his endgame skills.  Ironically, Nakamura's comments may actually have brought this area of Gazza's play more to the fore than it had been previously ... in which case he's rather done us all a service!


  

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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #40 - 12/20/11 at 20:35:01
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Tricklev wrote on 12/20/11 at 18:47:37:
Seth_Xoma wrote on 12/20/11 at 18:37:11:
When asked about Nakamura's recent comments (as have been covered on this thread), Kasparov replied:

"Happy to let my games speak for me for now. Start looking on move 20 if you like!"

LOL!


That's quite an awesome reply, any link to the comment?


Yeah, I think Kasparov has become very skilled in language, this is in his second language. It's not just formal or "correct" English, but at getting the exact tone and meaning across in a concise way, something extremely rare for someone's continual second language. I think we can say that Kasparov speaks English better than most native English speakers and not only that, but speaks common man's English better than most common men.  Cheesy

As noted by Smyslov_Fan, yes Kasparov is renowned for his endgames and his overall mastery of the game. Just because Nakamura is one of the best chess players in the world doesn't mean he is always right about chess. 

A cynic might say move 20 is about the time the other guy is out of book. Wink
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #39 - 12/20/11 at 19:02:10
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #38 - 12/20/11 at 18:47:37
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 12/20/11 at 18:37:11:
When asked about Nakamura's recent comments (as have been covered on this thread), Kasparov replied:

"Happy to let my games speak for me for now. Start looking on move 20 if you like!"

LOL!


That's quite an awesome reply, any link to the comment?
  
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Re: Nakamura splits with Kasparov
Reply #37 - 12/20/11 at 18:37:11
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When asked about Nakamura's recent comments (as have been covered on this thread), Kasparov replied:

"Happy to let my games speak for me for now. Start looking on move 20 if you like!"

LOL!
  
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